View Poll Results: Should prostitution be legalized?

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    Re: Prostitution

    I'm always conflicted on how to respond to the prostitution question, since it really depends on the situation and how it's being defined. I'll start off by saying I have no moral position on this, don't really care what religion may say about this.

    In many ways all casual sex is a 'transaction' so the issue (in my mind) that money transfer or barter has occurred is simply irrelevant. The true problem with prostitution is the coercion, trafficking, drugs, and the abuse by pimps. All of that is obscene and needs to be illegal.

    Then you are left with sex! I live in Thailand, where there is always only 6 degrees of separation from someone you know in the 'entertainment' industry. Thai prostitution isn't (generally) dominated by coercion and pimps. It's more a case of poor women working as independent contractors so to speak, selling sex directly to customers as Bar Girls, just to make money to support their families, not generally as I fear is common in the US to support a drug habit

    So I guess the real question, in a US context is: is it the sex that people have the problem with, or all the crime and abuse that surrounds the sex?
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    Re: Prostitution

    It has already been legalized. It is called politics.

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    Re: Prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Why do you look at things in terms of extremes? Do we allow doctors to practice in the middle of the park in public view? Do you think prostitutes and johns dont prefer privacy?

    People cannot even drink and smoke in public in most places....and those are legal.

    And why do I have to approve of prostitution to support it's legalization? Of course I wouldnt....there are millions of jobs I would hate.


    You have to resort to extremes because you have no realistic argument. You just have a moral indignation that you are trying to shore up with 'fake' reasoning.
    Everyone has a right to do with their bodies what they want . So in that vein I admit I have no right to dictate.

    Am not trying to play the moral card. I just simply wonder who here who supports it would like to have their teenage daughter look as it as a future profession. Is that fair enough?

    It seems we all like prostitutes but none of us would like their own daughter or wife working that profession.

    And if legal why couldn't one's wife do a few tricks for Christmas spending money and still be able to hold her head high.

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    Re: Prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Everyone has a right to do with their bodies what they want . So in that vein I admit I have no right to dictate.

    Am not trying to play the moral card. I just simply wonder who here who supports it would like to have their teenage daughter look as it as a future profession. Is that fair enough?

    It seems we all like prostitutes but none of us would like their own daughter or wife working that profession.

    And if legal why couldn't one's wife do a few tricks for Christmas spending money and still be able to hold her head high.
    I wouldn't want my daughter to work in a slaughterhouse killing lambs, or emptying port-a-potties and septic tanks for a living, or working as a policewoman in the worst section of Detroit either, but that doesn't mean these professions should be illegal.

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    Re: Prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Everyone has a right to do with their bodies what they want . So in that vein I admit I have no right to dictate.

    Am not trying to play the moral card. I just simply wonder who here who supports it would like to have their teenage daughter look as it as a future profession. Is that fair enough?

    It seems we all like prostitutes but none of us would like their own daughter or wife working that profession.

    And if legal why couldn't one's wife do a few tricks for Christmas spending money and still be able to hold her head high.
    It's an appeal to emotionalism that shouldn't be part of the issue.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, I don't think government has an obligation to protect people from their own stupid actions.

    This is a free society, not a nanny state.
    And such darwinian societies do not remain free very long. International communism's appeal was in part due because certain societies practiced social darwinism:

    - exploitive share cropping was were permissable as the farmers were voluntary
    - exploitive labor conditions permitted as workers were voluntary
    - All education was 100% cash and carry. Most of those in uhmm.... "voluntary contracts" could not afford it so neither they, nor their children, could escape from the system.

    Needless to say, these conditions created alot of social turmoil, which led to people looking for "solutions" that reduced freedom.

    In short, a wise State protects people from themselves (to a degree). Failure to do so on a large scale, can result in alot of social turmoil with reductions in freedom, quality of life and capital. Putting limits on interest rates and banning certain exploitive "voluntary" labor contracts does not equal "nanny state".
    Last edited by Cryptic; 08-07-14 at 11:31 AM.

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    Re: Prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    And such darwinian societies do not remain free very long. International communism's appeal was in part due because certain societies practiced social darwinism:

    - exploitive share cropping was were permissable as the farmers were voluntary
    - exploitive labor conditions permitted as workers were voluntary
    - education was 100% cash and carry. Most of the exploitive could not afford it so they can't escape from the voluntary system.

    Needless to say, these conditions created alot of social turmoil, which led to people looking for "solutions" that reduced freedom.

    In short, a wise State protects people from themselves (to a degree). Failure to do so on a large scale, can result in alot of social turmoil. Putting limits on interest rates and banning certain exploitive "voluntary" labor contracts does not equal "nanny state".
    We weren't talking about share cropping and labor conditions and education. We were talking about government protecting people from their own stupid mistakes. We disagree on the role of government.

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    Re: Prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    We weren't talking about share cropping and labor conditions and education. We were talking about government protecting people from their own stupid mistakes. We disagree on the role of government.
    You stated that a govenment should not protect people from their own voluntary and foolish decisions. I am stating wise government should protect people from their own decisions (to a degree).

    So, yes, we do disagree on the role of government. A government that practices unrestricted social darwinism - and you appear to advocate such a government, will fail due to social turmoil. This results in a loss of freedom and capital.

    We no longer have share cropper agriculture, but we do have an economic system heavily dependent on loans. Placing limits on interest- even oif signing the loan is "voluntary" does not equal "nanny state". Rather, such limits can reduce social turmoil. It was the same with certain "voluntary" share cropping arrangements.

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    Re: Prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    You stated that a govenment should not protect people from their own voluntary and foolish decisions. I am stating wise government should protect people from their own decisions (to a degree).

    So, yes, we do disagree on the role of government. A government that practices unrestricted social darwinism - and you appear to advocate such a government, will fail due to social turmoil. This results in a loss of freedom and capital.

    We no longer have share cropper agriculture, but we do have an economic system heavily dependent on loans. Placing limits on interest- even oif signing the loan is "voluntary" does not equal "nanny state". Rather, such limits can reduce social turmoil. It was the same with certain "voluntary" share cropping arrangements.
    That's all nice, but it has nothing to do with the discussion about prostitution.

    I'm a big girl and believe I can take care of myself, you seem to think you need government to protect you from yourself. End of discussion. We won't agree on this and share cropping and loans aren't relevant to this discussion. Thanks.

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