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Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?[W:109]

Is it ironic that Republicans chose to sue Obama over the ACA?

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Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

Unitedwestand13 said:
But by suing they are demanding that Obama implement obamacare, which is somthing they opposed.
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They want it implemented before the 2014 elections so the businesses that will get dinged for not adhering to the new rules will hate all things Democratic, especially candidates.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
But by suing they are demanding that Obama implement obamacare, which is somthing they opposed.
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Its freaking crazy, I know. I'm trying to hold out hope that my party returns to the reason I joined it in the first place, because they were about doing what was right, standing on principle, etc.
 
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Summerwind said:
They want it implemented before the 2014 elections so the businesses that will get dinged for not adhering to the new rules will hate all things Democratic, especially candidates.
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But Obama was the one delaying the mandate. How can democrats get the blame for the mandate that the republicans sued Obama over for not being implemented?
 
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bubbabgone said:
He's calling turning 'em around at the border as deportations.
The S.C. already smacked him for his lawlessness.
Cite the laws Bush changed and we can discuss them.
Face it. Honest Liberals are nervous about what the King is doing.
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Bush's signing statement on the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005.

Did you really call him King? Good grief. You don't know anything about honesty.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
But Obama was the one delaying the mandate. How can democrats get the blame for the mandate that the republicans sued Obama over for not being implemented?
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They can't be, but won't stop the Repubs from claiming it, promoting it too their minions, repeating it so often ... gee, just like we see their minions spouting stuff here. Some people are easily and willingly ignorant.
 
Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

Smeagol said:
Lol. That's the basis of the suit? Ironic, yes. Surprising, no. Maybe I'm reading it wrong and it pains me to say it, but to me it seems the mission of the GOP is not to stand on principle but to oppose President Obama in any and every way possible, in this case demanding by force of law that Obamacare be fully implemented without delay. And primarily because of tribalism; he's not one of us, has no business being President and we must make sure he fails.
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Seems to me it is standing on principle to oppose the President rewriting legislation from the Oval Office. Obama could have just as easily walked down the street or called up Boehner and Reid and said he'd like to see them amend the ACA to provide for different implementation dates or more open ended language, in that way respecting the role of the different branches of government. What's wrong with demanding protection of the legislative branch's role in governance?
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Seems to me it is standing on principle to oppose the President rewriting legislation from the Oval Office. Obama could have just as easily walked down the street or called up Boehner and Reid and said he'd like to see them amend the ACA to provide for different implementation dates or more open ended language, in that way respecting the role of the different branches of government. What's wrong with demanding protection of the legislative branch's role in governance?
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Does the executive branch have the right to use discretion when implementing the law?
 
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bubbabgone said:
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court issued a unanimous rebuke to President Obama on Thursday, saying he had overreached in issuing recess appointments during brief breaks in the Senate’s work. - NYT 6/26/2014
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Your quote proves that Summerwind's claim about how the decision was about whether or not the Senate was actually in recess was correct, and disproves CJ's claim that it was about whether or not the president has the power to declare the Senate in recess.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Does the executive branch have the right to use discretion when implementing the law?
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Indeed, they do. The issue, as I understand it however is that the ACA specifically identifies dates for implementation of certain aspects. By not following those dates, the executive is not following the letter of the law and may actually be causing financial damage to government revenues that result from the implementation.

There is a limit to discretion, however. Surely you wouldn't believe that the executive could alter any legislation in any way they choose as an element of implementation/application of that law.
 
Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

Unitedwestand13 said:
But by suing they are demanding that Obama implement obamacare, which is somthing they opposed.
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Well, to make up for it, they're demanding that the president ignore the Victims of Sex Trafficking Act and immediately deport the children who are seeking asylum, even though they supported the act.
 
Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

CanadaJohn said:
And I respect your point of view even if you don't respect mine. Funny how it's only American liberals who are afraid of opinion outside of their xenophobic circle.

In any event, hope you're having a fun day too.
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What I mean is you are not part of our country. I certainly am not dissing your opinion. It just does not mean anything to our political system. Sorry if I offended you. Now I hope you have a nice evening
 
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Gina said:
Moderator's Warning:
Never mind. Adding poll.
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Thanks for adding the poll for me. I am clearly 'poll challenged'
 
Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

CanadaJohn said:
I was thinking of the case that went to the Supreme Court regarding Obama's declaration that the Senate was in recess and he could make recess appointments to the labour relations board. The Supreme Court narrowed the executive's power to make such appointments.
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That was the Caning v NLRB decision and not the Congress suing the President.

I'm not sure that the Constitution allows the Congress to sue the President. I think the Framers assumed the the president would not be a lawless and imperialistic crook with no regard for the principles of the united States.

They did not foresee Obama and Holder supported by a lap dog, compliant press that fawn at the sight of the president and applaud his every crime with adoration and high school crush type love.

Obama's NLRB Recess Appointments Deemed Unconstitutional: >100 Decisions Impacted - Forbes
 
Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

code1211 said:
That was the Caning v NLRB decision and not the Congress suing the President.

I'm not sure that the Constitution allows the Congress to sue the President. I think the Framers assumed the the president would not be a lawless and imperialistic crook with no regard for the principles of the united States.

They did not foresee Obama and Holder supported by a lap dog, compliant press that fawn at the sight of the president and applaud his every crime with adoration and high school crush type love.

Obama's NLRB Recess Appointments Deemed Unconstitutional: >100 Decisions Impacted - Forbes
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Okay - I don't know if Congress has ever sued the President before - perhaps during Watergate, but I don't recall the details although I kind of think Congress sued Nixon related to executive privilege but I could be wrong on that.

If Congress can't sue the President, how does Congress protect its constitutional powers against a lawless executive?
 
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Carleen said:
What I mean is you are not part of our country. I certainly am not dissing your opinion. It just does not mean anything to our political system. Sorry if I offended you. Now I hope you have a nice evening
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Fair enough - I generally don't take offense to internet give and take.

Hope you have a nice evening as well.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Okay - I don't know if Congress has ever sued the President before - perhaps during Watergate, but I don't recall the details although I kind of think Congress sued Nixon related to executive privilege but I could be wrong on that.

If Congress can't sue the President, how does Congress protect its constitutional powers against a lawless executive?
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It's called "impeachment", which raises the question "If Boehner really thinks Obama is a "lawless executive", then why isn't he going for impeachment instead of pursuing a lawsuit which will go nowhere?"
 
Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

CanadaJohn said:
Okay - I don't know if Congress has ever sued the President before - perhaps during Watergate, but I don't recall the details although I kind of think Congress sued Nixon related to executive privilege but I could be wrong on that.

If Congress can't sue the President, how does Congress protect its constitutional powers against a lawless executive?
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I think the only Constitutional remedy is Impeachment. The Dems tried to impeach Bush, but it didn't go anywhere.

Nixon was on the verge of being impeached for thinking about doing what Obama is doing.

As I said, i don't think the framers contemplated a lawless and imperialistic despot in the White House who intentionally is using the power of government to eliminate the rights of citizens.
 
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sangha said:
It's called "impeachment", which raises the question "If Boehner really thinks Obama is a "lawless executive", then why isn't he going for impeachment instead of pursuing a lawsuit which will go nowhere?"
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There are about 200 pieces of legislation that Reid won't bring to the floor.

How far do you think an impeachment would get?
 
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code1211 said:
There are about 200 pieces of legislation that Reid won't bring to the floor.

How far do you think an impeachment would get?
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Just as far as his lawsuit will
 
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sangha said:
It's called "impeachment", which raises the question "If Boehner really thinks Obama is a "lawless executive", then why isn't he going for impeachment instead of pursuing a lawsuit which will go nowhere?"
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I believe the narrative is that King Obama will have him beheaded if he tries.
 
Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

code1211 said:
I think the only Constitutional remedy is Impeachment. The Dems tried to impeach Bush, but it didn't go anywhere.

Nixon was on the verge of being impeached for thinking about doing what Obama is doing.

As I said, i don't think the framers contemplated a lawless and imperialistic despot in the White House who intentionally is using the power of government to eliminate the rights of citizens.
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What rights have been eliminated?
 
Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

Thorgasm said:
Bush's signing statement on the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005.
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Did you really call him King? Good grief.
You don't know anything about honesty.
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C'mon, Thor ... A signing statement isn't an Executive Order that violates the Law.
Didn't I show you that even Barney said he lied?
 
Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

bubbabgone said:
C'mon, Thor ... A signing statement isn't an Executive Order that violates the Law.
Didn't I show you that even Barney said he lied?
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Didn't you see my response to that?

Signing statements change laws too. Isn't that the big deal? Every President has used executive orders. If the GOP really believed he should be impeached, they would do it. Even if the Senate wouldn't vote for it, they could use that in the upcoming election to win those valuable seats.

Is tyranny something that can be overthrown by a civil suit? :rofl

This is what happens when you start with "I hate Obama" and work backwards from there to find evidence to support the conclusion you started with.
 
Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

Thorgasm said:
Didn't you see my response to that?

Signing statements change laws too. Isn't that the big deal? Every President has used executive orders. If the GOP really believed he should be impeached, they would do it. Even if the Senate wouldn't vote for it, they could use that in the upcoming election to win those valuable seats.

Is tyranny something that can be overthrown by a civil suit? :rofl

This is what happens when you start with "I hate Obama" and work backwards from there to find evidence to support the conclusion you started with.
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No they aren't the same thing.

Leaving aside the fact that Obama criticized Bush for signing statements (oh the irony, but his resume is full of that kind of thing), signing statements are made when the President intends to suggest a portion of the Law they are signing may be unconstitutional in some way.

Not complying with a date certain part of a Law he signed is what he has done.
 
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