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    Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    From my perspective, it can go to court and it will go to court. The deadline both for the individual mandate and the employer mandate under the ACA legislation has passed and by regulation the Obama administration has delayed full implementation, contrary to the written provisions of the act. As a result, the administration has taken unilateral action to ignore the legislative will of congress without seeking congressional amendment to the act. The case is in relationship to the powers of the executive to overrule the powers of congress to legislate. Other suits have gone to court challenging executive powers, so why not this one?
    Actually, the text of ACA gives the Sec'y of HHS the power to delay the implementation of both mandates.
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    Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, the text of ACA gives the Sec'y of HHS the power to delay the implementation of both mandates.
    Don't just say it - prove it - otherwise, I'm not interested.
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    Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, operant conditioning shows that denial of reinforcements results in a negative association.
    You do not think it reinforcing to experience control of your urges?

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    Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Don't just say it - prove it - otherwise, I'm not interested.
    (for the individual mandate)
    26 U.S. Code 5000A - Requirement to maintain minimum essential coverage | LII / Legal Information Institute

    Sec 5000A (e) (5) - Hardship exemptions

    Any applicable individual who for any month is determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services under section 1311 (d)(4)(H) to have suffered a hardship with respect to the capability to obtain coverage under a qualified health plan.
    For the employer mandate

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-11...111publ148.htm

    Sec 1514 of ACA amends 26 USC 6056
    Every applicable large employer required to meet
    the requirements of section 4980H with respect to its full-time
    employees during a calendar year shall, at such time as the Secretary
    may prescribe,
    make a return described in subsection (b).
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    You do not think it reinforcing to experience control of your urges?
    "Controlling urges" is not a "reinforcement" according to Operant Conditioning
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    (for the individual mandate)
    26 U.S. Code 5000A - Requirement to maintain minimum essential coverage | LII / Legal Information Institute

    Sec 5000A (e) (5) - Hardship exemptions



    For the employer mandate

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-11...111publ148.htm

    Sec 1514 of ACA amends 26 USC 6056
    Actually, no - nothing you've posted proves that the HHS Secretary has the power to delay the implementation of both mandates as you asserted.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    "Controlling urges" is not a "reinforcement" according to Operant Conditioning
    Maybe they are right. Maybe they aren't. I have experienced, what seemed to be such reinforcement. But I am not a behavioral psychologist and have not kept up with the art.

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    Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Actually, no - nothing you've posted proves that the HHS Secretary has the power to delay the implementation of both mandates as you asserted.
    Sure it does

    The first link proves that the HHS Sec'y has the power to define hardship exemptions, which is exactly what was done and the 2nd shows that the HHS Sec'y has the power to determine when the reporting requirements of the employer mandate are implemented, which is exactly what was done.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonic View Post
    Maybe it's just me, but I can't help be struck by the irony that the Republican's should chose the issue of the President 'delaying' portions of the ACA as the basis for their civil law suit

    Hmm, clearly my 'add a poll' ability seems somewhat impaired. I intended to add a Yes/No question



    I predict that the GOP's lawsuit will not help the GOP.

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    Re: Do You Think It's Ironic that the Republicans chose to sue Obama over ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I predict that the GOP's lawsuit will not help the GOP.
    It's a fundraising stunt.

    I think I heard that Boehner/Issa want the legal expenses kept secret.

    I predict next week they will attack Obama on fiscal responsibility and transparency.
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