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should games like this be banned?

should games like this be banned?

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Jesse Booth said:
They would have to edit out several hours of in-mission conversation, remove all the non-combat zones on the game (Tuchanka, the Citadel, etc.), overhaul the conversation system, and redesign half of the combat levels for any of what you just said to be true. The story line is an ever-present element to the game. You hear about the ramifications of past decisions over newscasts in cities, you see the effects on civilizations of decisions you made, you talk about it in your many interactions with NPCs.
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You're missing my point, you have been all along, if you don't see it by now, it's futile to continue.
 
tacomancer said:
That's where I strongly disagree. People can be strongly controlled by taking advantages in these weakness in brain function essentially resulting I'm the assertion of control, which imposes a level of the requirement you dismiss.
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Nah. You can choose not to play. Free will remains.
 
tacomancer said:
Manipulated will is not free will.
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Everyone and everything manipulates your will. Your wife and kids do it, your boss does it, advertising does it to the Nth power.
 
Goshin said:
Everyone and everything manipulates your will. Your wife and kids do it, your boss does it, advertising does it to the Nth power.
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This is true but it doesn't invalidate my point. It just lets us know that the world has entanglements and entropy.

True freedom has always been a lie
 
Summerwind said:
this idea that any of them actually have a story line is complete bs. The only actual story line is "go here and kill these, get something, go there and kill those, get something, go ...." That's the entire story line, the stuff they all claim is story line, really doesn't change or effect the game at all except to give you a video clip to watch.
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This was your original point, was it not? That RPGs don't have actual story lines, and that all they really consist of is fighting. I may not have gotten around to saying it, and that is entirely my fault, but the story line is the only reason people actually play them. The fighting is the game's mechanics system. it's how you interact with the game, and how you affect the world around you in the game.
 
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tacomancer said:
This is true but it doesn't invalidate my point. It just lets us know that the world has entanglements and entropy.

True freedom has always been a lie
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I disagree. The presence of influences and manipulation does not negate that you CHOOSE whether to buy that Three Musketeers bar or not. :D
 
Goshin said:
I disagree. The presence of influences and manipulation does not negate that you CHOOSE whether to buy that Three Musketeers bar or not. :D
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It does as pressures mean you are not in complete conscious control of that choice.
 
tacomancer said:
It does as pressures mean you are not in complete conscious control of that choice.
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If one is not in complete conscious control then one lacks sufficient introspection to run around loose without a keeper. :D
 
Goshin said:
If one is not in complete conscious control then one lacks sufficient introspection to run around loose without a keeper. :D
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No, it means one understands human psychology a little better than ones debate partner
 
tacomancer said:
This is true but it doesn't invalidate my point. It just lets us know that the world has entanglements and entropy.

True freedom has always been a lie
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While it's true that there isn't 100% free will (or 100% anything for that matter) as individuals, it is up to each of us to be responsible for what actions we can control. Unless someone has a gun to your head, you are not being Forced to do anything. People get a rush from doing drugs, for example, but are they not responsible for making the decision to do those drugs? I have read studies which compare video game addiction to drug use due to the neurotransmitters involved. However, as human beings, we have a conscious mind and can control (although it is difficult) our lower brain functions. It isn't anyone else's responsibility to protect you from your own baser instincts. This is what separates Us from the rest of the animal kingdom, imo.
 
tacomancer said:
No, it means one understands human psychology a little better than ones debate partner
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Heh. No, really it means I have greater faith in the sapience of human beings and their CAPACITY to self-control.... note I said capacity, many do not use it...
 
Rhiannon said:
While it's true that there isn't 100% free will (or 100% anything for that matter) as individuals, it is up to each of us to be responsible for what actions we can control. Unless someone has a gun to your head, you are not being Forced to do anything. People get a rush from doing drugs, for example, but are they not responsible for making the decision to do those drugs? I have read studies which compare video game addiction to drug use due to the neurotransmitters involved. However, as human beings, we have a conscious mind and can control (although it is difficult) our lower brain functions. It isn't anyone else's responsibility to protect you from your own baser instincts. This is what separates Us from the rest of the animal kingdom, imo.
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Influence is influence. Even if one has s gun to their head they are making choice but a choice constrained by ones desire to not suffer harm. Whether it is a gun or the possibility of losing a loved one or even getting s bug bite, one has to make choices in the matrix if available actions, their likely reactions, and ones desires to achieve a goal. If a gun is force then so is any unpleasantness
 
Goshin said:
Heh. No, really it means I have greater faith in the sapience of human beings and their CAPACITY to self-control.... note I said capacity, many do not use it...
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Faith has its drawbacks. I prefer evidence and observable reality
 
tacomancer said:
Influence is influence. Even if one has s gun to their head they are making choice but a choice constrained by ones desire to not suffer harm. Whether it is a gun or the possibility of losing a loved one or even getting s bug bite, one has to make choices in the matrix if available actions, their likely reactions, and ones desires to achieve a goal. If a gun is force then so is any unpleasantness
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A gun to your head is hardly the same as a biochemical reaction to playing a video game. There are varying degrees of influence. If someone had a gun to their head and was being forced to play versus some lonely gamer in his mom's basement who has never had a sunburn, i would say the gun to the head is a more compelling influence. It's not an either/or argument.
 
Rhiannon said:
A gun to your head is hardly the same as a biochemical reaction to playing a video game. There are varying degrees of influence. If someone had a gun to their head and was being forced to play versus some lonely gamer in his mom's basement who has never had a sunburn, i would say the gun to the head is a more compelling influence. It's not an either/or argument.
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Degrees are different, yes

But the formula remains constant and its why there is no such thing as true freedom as the oppositional values are never zero. We all have to breathe
 
tacomancer said:
Faith has its drawbacks. I prefer evidence and observable reality
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Here's an observation. You were capable of deciding not to play Candy Crush, if I remember your posts correctly. If others decide not to quit, that's their business. Leave them to their own decisions, and focus on your own. All anybody would accomplish by banning Candy Crush would be garnering a lot of ill will from people who enjoy addictive, simle games, and opening up a monopoly for illegal downloads of banned games.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Here's an observation. You were capable of deciding not to play Candy Crush, if I remember your posts correctly. If others decide not to quit, that's their business. Leave them to their own decisions, and focus on your own. All anybody would accomplish by banning Candy Crush would be garnering a lot of ill will from people who enjoy addictive, simle games, and opening up a monopoly for illegal downloads of banned games.
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Your black market concern has merit. Regulation may be the solution
 
tacomancer said:
Degrees are different, yes

But the formula remains constant and its why there is no such thing as true freedom as the oppositional values are never zero. We all have to breathe
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One should not use that formula, so called, to remove one's own responsibility from the equation. Reacting to one's environment based on instinct makes us lesser animals than what we could be. At least in my own opinion, i think humans are more than Pavlov's dog merely responding to environmental cues like mindless beasts. On a subconscious level, that is what we are. But if each individual strives to be better, they do have that potential. However, it takes hard work and determination.
 
Rhiannon said:
A gun to your head is hardly the same as a biochemical reaction to playing a video game. There are varying degrees of influence. If someone had a gun to their head and was being forced to play versus some lonely gamer in his mom's basement who has never had a sunburn, i would say the gun to the head is a more compelling influence. It's not an either/or argument.
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It's a shame more people on the forum don't have your common sense. Also, love the new avatar!:2razz:
 
Rhiannon said:
One should not use that formula, so called, to remove one's own responsibility from the equation. Reacting to one's environment based on instinct makes us lesser animals than what we could be. At least in my own opinion, i think humans are more than Pavlov's dog merely responding to environmental cues like mindless beasts. On a subconscious level, that is what we are. But if each individual strives to be better, they do have that potential. However, it takes hard work and determination.
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Responsibility is there of course, we need societal accountability to achieve ever higher levels of society and technology and choice has to as part of that societal need.

However, its not 100% responsibility or 100% animal instinct but a mix if the two
 
tacomancer said:
Your black market concern has merit. Regulation may be the solution
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Besides, how the hell would you even regulate that? More specifically, how the hell would you even word a law about regulating that?
 
Jesse Booth said:
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Besides, how the hell would you even regulate that? More specifically, how the hell would you even word a law about regulating that?
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Not sure, but I'm not a lawyer
 
tacomancer said:
Not sure, but I'm not a lawyer
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Perhaps a free market solution is at hand! Judging from the poll, it's obvious that very few people are behind this idea of banning games. And as we already discussed, there is a black market risk. since studies like this are already being done, we could just let this situation work itself out. Surely, someone is going to be forwarding this to people they know. Word will naturally get out on its own, and from my own experience, most people already know that games like Candy Crush are addictive from personal experience. If people understand this, and still don't care enough to stop playing, that's fine with me. And the way I see it, you're already doing a part in getting this information out, even if it's just starting a thread on the forum. But, if the danger is great enough, the market will handle itself, especially here on the internet. A spontaneous, self-assembled web of information exchange, that allows people that want to learn about this to do it, without using taxpayer dollars to enforce an agenda that not everyone approves of...

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What the ****? Is that Lutherf???
 
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