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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    this idea that any of them actually have a story line is complete bs. The only actual story line is "go here and kill these, get something, go there and kill those, get something, go ...." That's the entire story line, the stuff they all claim is story line, really doesn't change or effect the game at all except to give you a video clip to watch.
    This was your original point, was it not? That RPGs don't have actual story lines, and that all they really consist of is fighting. I may not have gotten around to saying it, and that is entirely my fault, but the story line is the only reason people actually play them. The fighting is the game's mechanics system. it's how you interact with the game, and how you affect the world around you in the game.
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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    This is true but it doesn't invalidate my point. It just lets us know that the world has entanglements and entropy.

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    I disagree. The presence of influences and manipulation does not negate that you CHOOSE whether to buy that Three Musketeers bar or not.

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I disagree. The presence of influences and manipulation does not negate that you CHOOSE whether to buy that Three Musketeers bar or not.
    It does as pressures mean you are not in complete conscious control of that choice.

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    It does as pressures mean you are not in complete conscious control of that choice.

    If one is not in complete conscious control then one lacks sufficient introspection to run around loose without a keeper.

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If one is not in complete conscious control then one lacks sufficient introspection to run around loose without a keeper.
    No, it means one understands human psychology a little better than ones debate partner

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    This is true but it doesn't invalidate my point. It just lets us know that the world has entanglements and entropy.

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    While it's true that there isn't 100% free will (or 100% anything for that matter) as individuals, it is up to each of us to be responsible for what actions we can control. Unless someone has a gun to your head, you are not being Forced to do anything. People get a rush from doing drugs, for example, but are they not responsible for making the decision to do those drugs? I have read studies which compare video game addiction to drug use due to the neurotransmitters involved. However, as human beings, we have a conscious mind and can control (although it is difficult) our lower brain functions. It isn't anyone else's responsibility to protect you from your own baser instincts. This is what separates Us from the rest of the animal kingdom, imo.

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    No, it means one understands human psychology a little better than ones debate partner


    Heh. No, really it means I have greater faith in the sapience of human beings and their CAPACITY to self-control.... note I said capacity, many do not use it...

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon View Post
    While it's true that there isn't 100% free will (or 100% anything for that matter) as individuals, it is up to each of us to be responsible for what actions we can control. Unless someone has a gun to your head, you are not being Forced to do anything. People get a rush from doing drugs, for example, but are they not responsible for making the decision to do those drugs? I have read studies which compare video game addiction to drug use due to the neurotransmitters involved. However, as human beings, we have a conscious mind and can control (although it is difficult) our lower brain functions. It isn't anyone else's responsibility to protect you from your own baser instincts. This is what separates Us from the rest of the animal kingdom, imo.
    Influence is influence. Even if one has s gun to their head they are making choice but a choice constrained by ones desire to not suffer harm. Whether it is a gun or the possibility of losing a loved one or even getting s bug bite, one has to make choices in the matrix if available actions, their likely reactions, and ones desires to achieve a goal. If a gun is force then so is any unpleasantness

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Heh. No, really it means I have greater faith in the sapience of human beings and their CAPACITY to self-control.... note I said capacity, many do not use it...
    Faith has its drawbacks. I prefer evidence and observable reality

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Faith has its drawbacks. I prefer evidence and observable reality

    Empiricism can be deceptive at times.

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