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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    The old school thought on censorship was based on certain messages being bad messages. This new approach isn't necessarily about the message, but the delivery mechanism of the message. The message could be good or bad, but that's not the point......
    That same argument has also been used for film and television because of their pervasiveness and alledgedly unique power to influence. Its still a bad argument. The rest of us shouldn't be prevented from enjoying something because some people can't enjoy it moderately and responsibility. The argument that we should ban pleasurable activities to protect the weak from addiction could also be applied to food since so many people eat excessively.

    If you think a video game is dangerous, get ready for technology that can directly tap into parts of people's brains, which is not far off. Few people know that marketers, PR people and advertisers are already using functional MRIs to test the effectiveness of their messges.
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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    That same argument has been used for film and television also because of their unique power to influence and pervasiveness. Its still a bad argument. The rest of us shouldn't be prevented from enjoying something because some people can't enjoy it moderately and responsibility. That argument could be applied to food since so many people eat excessively.

    If you think a video game is dangerous, get ready for technology that can directly tap into parts of people's brains, which is not far off. Few people know that marketers, PR people and advertisers are already using functional MRIs to test the effectiveness of their messges.
    The argument is just fine. Film and TV may influence but does not burden people. Consider that certain sales techniques are illegal and for good reason.

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I'm not watching those youtubes, I'll go by what you've typed and what I know about rpgs. In the end, even if the stream of the story is effected by your choices, the fact remains that your only interaction with the game is to kill baddies or find trinkets. The vids that imply a story line could easily be removed and one sentence inserted indicating your next thing to find which will undoubtedly have baddies to kill along the way and once you get wherever the trinket is.
    They would have to edit out several hours of in-mission conversation, remove all the non-combat zones on the game (Tuchanka, the Citadel, etc.), overhaul the conversation system, and redesign half of the combat levels for any of what you just said to be true. The story line is an ever-present element to the game. You hear about the ramifications of past decisions over newscasts in cities, you see the effects on civilizations of decisions you made, you talk about it in your many interactions with NPCs.
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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    In playing pacman I can turn off the console whenever I want to. I am not being exploited.

    For the record though. Five minutes into candy crush, I noticed it was designed for weak willed people and lost interest in disgust almost immediately.

    So its not a personal crusade out of harm or anything. I just don't like it when people are taken advantage of out of moral concern.
    People allow themselves to be taken advantage of. The weak-willed have always been exploited.. probably always will be. I also believe it is unethical for people to remain weak-willed. It demonstrates, imo, that these people don't care enough about themselves or their own families to make an effort to improve.

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon View Post
    People allow themselves to be taken advantage of. The weak-willed have always been exploited.. probably always will be. I also believe it is unethical for people to remain weak-willed. It demonstrates, imo, that these people don't care enough about themselves or their own families to make an effort to improve.
    The subject is more complicated than the strength I of Ines will. If one cannot make an accurate value assessment which these techniques seen to bypass. One could, in a very determined manner, make an uninformed and manipulated choice.

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    They would have to edit out several hours of in-mission conversation, remove all the non-combat zones on the game (Tuchanka, the Citadel, etc.), overhaul the conversation system, and redesign half of the combat levels for any of what you just said to be true. The story line is an ever-present element to the game. You hear about the ramifications of past decisions over newscasts in cities, you see the effects on civilizations of decisions you made, you talk about it in your many interactions with NPCs.
    You're missing my point, you have been all along, if you don't see it by now, it's futile to continue.
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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    That's where I strongly disagree. People can be strongly controlled by taking advantages in these weakness in brain function essentially resulting I'm the assertion of control, which imposes a level of the requirement you dismiss.


    Nah. You can choose not to play. Free will remains.

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Nah. You can choose not to play. Free will remains.
    Manipulated will is not free will.

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Manipulated will is not free will.


    Everyone and everything manipulates your will. Your wife and kids do it, your boss does it, advertising does it to the Nth power.

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Everyone and everything manipulates your will. Your wife and kids do it, your boss does it, advertising does it to the Nth power.
    This is true but it doesn't invalidate my point. It just lets us know that the world has entanglements and entropy.

    True freedom has always been a lie

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