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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I disagree. The presence of influences and manipulation does not negate that you CHOOSE whether to buy that Three Musketeers bar or not.
    What if that three musketeers contains a chemical not on the ingredients list that causes physical addiction similar to heroine?

    The potency of some of the techniques in play is MUCH higher than most people think. Several will.work on people who work in the field.

    It isn't mind control, but they can cause a predictable, repeatable change in feelings towards a product or subject in a predictable percentage of a target demographic.

    From my research on the subject it appears that about 25% of people are completely defenseless to common techniques. Watch for yourself the next time you see a piece about people who believe nonsensical things promulgated by PR and marketing. The numbers are always around 25%, across ideologies.

    And they have done studies that establish that even people who should know better believe they are immune to techniques they patently are not.

    The PR trade even has a name for some techniques: "black PR". Methods considered unethical to use. It is even illegal to use them in some countries, and practitioners are licensed.
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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon View Post
    While it's true that there isn't 100% free will (or 100% anything for that matter) as individuals, it is up to each of us to be responsible for what actions we can control. Unless someone has a gun to your head, you are not being Forced to do anything. People get a rush from doing drugs, for example, but are they not responsible for making the decision to do those drugs? I have read studies which compare video game addiction to drug use due to the neurotransmitters involved. However, as human beings, we have a conscious mind and can control (although it is difficult) our lower brain functions. It isn't anyone else's responsibility to protect you from your own baser instincts. This is what separates Us from the rest of the animal kingdom, imo.
    Yet there are cognitive "exploits" available based on quirks in how our brains process information.

    The written word, for example, bypasses certain filters we have evolved for spoken language. Written words enter the brain through different channels than spoken ones. The result is that what one reads is assumed "true" and must be "corrected" after the fact where what one hears is filtered BEFORE it gets into your brain. A technique used around this "glitch" is to distract a reader right after reading the piece the client wants believed. This allows the concept to make the transition from short term to long term memory without being "edited". Then the human reluctance to admit they have been tricked, that they were wrong about something kicks in and cements the false belief.
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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Your black market concern has merit. Regulation may be the solution
    Disclosure maybe? An "ingredients list" of techniques in play to allow an informed decision?
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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Disclosure maybe? An "ingredients list" of techniques in play to allow an informed decision?
    That would be a good idea too. A list of requirements on disclosure might pass the needs of the free market crowd.

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    This is what Candy Crush Saga does to your brain | Dana Smith | Science | theguardian.com

    Candy Crush is basically designed to exploit human neurochemical weaknesses.



    This is the sort of mechanism which fuels gambling addiction. As science and psychology becomes more sophisticated, more problems with how the human brain processes information will be revealed, opening the door for more ways to exploit that weakness.

    I personally view this as extremely unethical at best as it purposefully undermines free will. What is your take?
    It is not designed to exploit that... it is just a stupid game.
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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    This is what Candy Crush Saga does to your brain | Dana Smith | Science | theguardian.com

    Candy Crush is basically designed to exploit human neurochemical weaknesses.



    This is the sort of mechanism which fuels gambling addiction. As science and psychology becomes more sophisticated, more problems with how the human brain processes information will be revealed, opening the door for more ways to exploit that weakness.

    I personally view this as extremely unethical at best as it purposefully undermines free will. What is your take?
    We need a strong government that protects us from every possible danger, we need a Government that's able to stop this sort of expectation. Games are a DANGER to you! BAN GAMES!
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    ....From my research on the subject it appears that about 25% of people are completely defenseless to common techniques.....
    (assuming the figures are correct) Should 75% of the population be banned from doing something enjoyable because 25% of the population can't handle it? I say no.

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    My view is that the addictive drugs should have heavier regulations while the nonaddictive ones should not, except to minors.
    Not that I approve of regulations, but what would these regulations look like?

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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    (assuming the figures are correct) Should 75% of the population be banned from doing something enjoyable because 25% of the population can't handle it? I say no.
    If you look at my posts in this thread you'll see that I don't advocate banning anything. Disclosure and other forms of regulation are appropriate. Just put a warning up that says the game is designed to be addictive. Not so good you want to keep playing, designed to BE addictive.

    Education too. Do you think they aren't pounding this crap into kids heads? Who don't have ANY particular cognitive defenses? Whose personalities are mostly shaped by five years old?
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
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    Re: should games like this be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Not that I approve of regulations, but what would these regulations look like?
    If people were prone to suffer physical withdrawal symptoms then the drugs should be illegal. If people were prone to suffer mental withdrawal symptoms greater than what would be seen with a non drug addiction, they would be illegal as well. This effect would have to applicable to 98% of the normative population to rule out the fact that the human body can just be weird sometimes. (For example s common antibiotic levaquin makes me go into a paranoid state, but that's not normal thus wouldn't be considered valid for analysis because its too uncommon a reaction)

    This can be empirically tested, thus is able to be proven to be true and therefore be applied without bias or politics or people getting in the way.

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