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Whites Need Not Apply?[W:68]

Mutliple Choice - Check all statement you see as true:

  • A white person should not teach minority children.

    Votes: 2 3.3%

  • A person of a minority race cannot teach white children.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Race is not a factor on a person's competency to teach anything.

    Votes: 37 61.7%

  • Making the race of a teacher an issue is in itself racist.

    Votes: 18 30.0%

  • I have a completely different perspective and will explain.

    Votes: 3 5.0%
  • Total voters
    60
Gringo allstar said:
The real loser here is Rev MLK. All that work for nothing.
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No. I don't think so. You can't sit down and read the books or essays of Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Shelby Steele, Starr Parker, Ben Carson, William Raspberry et al and believe that MLK's vision was all for naught. All those individuals know what racism is and what it isn't. And they all understand how the road to racist hell has been paved with good intentions in recent decades.

Unless you are an overt or closet racist, you cannot listen to Morgan Freeman and not understand what he is saying:

 
joG said:
Each city/community can structure it as the voters want. It is their money.

For this case I cannot remember the article saying how they had in this case. I also missed a comment on regulation regarding government decisions on selecting employees by color.
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Government doesn't make those decisions. Local school boards and/or administration do.
 
AlbqOwl said:
To pretend that a course specific to race is not racist is not looking at reality. The public schools have a duty to teach ALL of history and to teach the American culture. To explain how other cultures have blended into and modified the uniquely American culture is fine. But there are hundreds if not thousands of different cultures. To single one out of the whole to emphasize as somehow more important than any others is just wrong. And it perpetuates racism.
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No, Black American history is not racist.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Again, Black American history is no more racist than Asian or Middle Eastern or European history.
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Again I refer you to Post #201. Maybe if you read it, you won't keep misstating what it says and will understand what is being said.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Government doesn't make those decisions. Local school boards and/or administration do.
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The school board is not part of local government? Doesn't it get its money from the city. That would make it seem very much like a public entity to me and a low extension of state and government.
 
joG said:
The school board is not part of local government? Doesn't it get its money from the city. That would make it seem very much like a public entity to me and a low extension of state and government.
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Yes, my point is specifically the school board and/or superintendent. They are elected officials elected by community members of a school district. I should have said state government does not make those decisions. My bad for leaving out the word state (and or city for that matter) in my last post.
 
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ecofarm said:
1,.)Again (for the 5th time) not a single mention of the topic. You're just spewing crap at someone without even pretending to take part in debate.




You need a new routine. Inanimate objects don't "win"; do attempt some connection to reality.
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Translation: You still cant defend your failed and destroyed post so you again try failed insults and deflections.
Nobody is fooled lol

Facts win again.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Yes, my point is specifically the school board and/or superintendent. They are elected officials elected by community members of a school district. I should have said state government does not make those decisions. My bad for leaving out the word state (and or city for that matter) in my last post.
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So it is a body of government in the sense of political theory and constitutional laws would apply. These standards of non discrimination are higher than for the private sector.
 
joG said:
So it is a body of government in the sense of political theory and constitutional laws would apply. These standards of non discrimination are higher than for the private sector.
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Schools are allowed to recruit teachers that reflect their demographic population. As a matter of fact, in MA, it is mandated in districts under a law that was passed decades ago.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Schools are allowed to recruit teachers that reflect their demographic population. As a matter of fact, in MA, it is mandated in districts under a law that was passed decades ago.
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That is an interesting restriction of non discrimination.
 
joG said:
That is an interesting restriction of non discrimination.
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What had happened in the past is that school districts had virtually no minorities teaching. Many of the people hiring were not minorities so that in itself posed a problem because many voiced they did not want to hire minorities during desegregation, so they set a specific quota but I don't know it. I could look it up if you want.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
What had happened in the past is that school districts had virtually no minorities teaching. Many of the people hiring were not minorities so that in itself posed a problem because many voiced they did not want to hire minorities during desegregation, so they set a specific quota but I don't know it. I could look it up if you want.
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No, you need not look it up, but this has been interesting.
 
joG said:
No, you need not look it up, but this has been interesting.
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I think rabbit might be confusing Affirmative Action laws with something else here. But in any case, it is prejudicial, discriminatory, and racist to reject a teacher for no other reason than the color of his skin.
 
AlbqOwl said:
So here we are. Who agrees that a white man cannot teach cultural studies? And can a black man teach Latino and SoutheastAsian studies if a white man cannot teach black studies? Or has the world gone absolutely nuts?

Black community leaders in Fresno, Calif., are urging the Fresno Unified School District to re-evaluate the hiring of a white guy to​
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teach three cultural studies courses at a brand-new middleschool that will overwhelmingly serve minority students.

Rutherford B. Gaston Middle School — named after the city’s first blackprincipal — will open in a few short weeks. It’s the first middle school in the immediate, poverty-ridden vicinity since 1979.

The protesters are unhappy because the school has chosen to hire Peter Beck, aperson with white skin, over other, unidentified candidates, The Fresno Bee reports.

Beck will teach African-American studies, Latino studies and Southeast Asian studies. . . .

. . .“We’re just saying what the community wants,” said Rev. Karen Crozier, oneof the activists. “We didn’t fight for a white male or female teacher to educate our babies.”

Crozier, who appears to be a professor at Fresno Pacific Biblical Seminary, also suggested that a white person cannot teach minority children in this instance because of racism. . . .

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/29/black-leaders-in-fresno-oppose-white-cultural-studies-teacher/​

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Rediculous. The race of the teacher has no bearing. Have they ever heard of Michael Pfleger? Egyptologists don't have to be from Egypt. Oncologists shouldn't have to be cancer survivors.

I do think when it comes to being a church minister, he should be a Christian but this is the kind of think that gives minority cultural celebrations and studies a bad name.
 
AGENT J said:
Translation: You still cant defend your failed and destroyed post so you again try failed insults and deflections.
Nobody is fooled lol

Facts win again.
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You have not countered a single one of my points, you have not even made an attempt to do so. In 6+ posts, not a single mention of any part of the debate.
 
ecofarm said:
You have not countered a single one of my points, you have not even made an attempt to do so. In 6+ posts, not a single mention of any part of the debate.
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another deflection and post lie that nobody buys. LMAO
Lets us know when you are ready to post ONE single fact that supports your proven wrong and failed post . . . one
Your post fails and facts win again
 
AGENT J said:
another deflection and post lie that nobody buys. LMAO
Lets us know when you are ready to post ONE single fact that supports your proven wrong and failed post . . . one
Your post fails and facts win again
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You're just spamming nonsense. Let me know when you'd like to address an argument.
 
ecofarm said:
You're just spamming nonsense. Let me know when you'd like to address an argument.
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Translation: you are still deflecting and got nothing to support your failed claims.
Facts win again
 
Deleted, wrong forum.

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I'll give credit, good one.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I think rabbit might be confusing Affirmative Action laws with something else here. But in any case, it is prejudicial, discriminatory, and racist to reject a teacher for no other reason than the color of his skin.
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Re-read my post instead of misrepresenting what I said. I clearly stated school districts are allowed to recruit and hire teachers based on demographics. That is factual so I'm not confusing anything. What difference does it make if it is under affirmative action laws or not? Schools can hire based on color under certain laws.
 
DA60 said:
Well, that is the most ignorant statement I have read on this site in quite some time.

It's also completely impossible to prove.

'rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm]
noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.'

Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com

By definition, racism is a belief. It is impossible to know what the belief's of people you do not know is. So to accurately say that racism by whites in America is nonexistent, then you would have to know what EVERY SINGLE 'WHITE' PERSON IN AMERICA THINKS.
And since you cannot and do not know this, then your statement is totally unprovable, ridiculous and should be treated as such.

I know I will.

And don't bother debating me on this... I am not wasting one further second debating such a ludicrous statement as the one you made...life is WAY too short and your mind is clearly WAY too closed.

I pity anyone that feels as you do about this.


Good day.
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Since you took the time to answer my post its only fitting I would answer yours.:2razz:

The point I was emphasizing in my post was that "perceived" racism in this country is just that perceived. Mostly by people whom have something to gain from perceiving racism. You go to another country you WILL find racism, real racism. Not this penny anny crap we call racism, but the real and true deal you know? The kind where people are actually oppressed. That was my point. The oppression going on in the US, is in the minds of those who want a buck or think they are the so called enlightened. Like I said before you would be hard pressed to find a genuine racist in the US. They have been made pariahs and basically run out. In statistical terms they are nonexistent in US, to the tune of a couple of decimal points.

By the way, where did I mention humans of ANY SPECIFIC variety in the statement I post that you felt you had to respond to.
 
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