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Thread: Whites Need Not Apply?[W:68]

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    re: Whites Need Not Apply?[W:68]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    So here we are. Who agrees that a white man cannot teach cultural studies? And can a black man teach Latino and SoutheastAsian studies if a white man cannot teach black studies? Or has the world gone absolutely nuts?

    Black community leaders in Fresno, Calif., are urging the Fresno Unified School District to re-evaluate the hiring of a white guy to
    teach three cultural studies courses at a brand-new middleschool that will overwhelmingly serve minority students.

    Rutherford B. Gaston Middle School — named after the city’s first blackprincipal — will open in a few short weeks. It’s the first middle school in the immediate, poverty-ridden vicinity since 1979.

    The protesters are unhappy because the school has chosen to hire Peter Beck, aperson with white skin, over other, unidentified candidates, The Fresno Bee reports.

    Beck will teach African-American studies, Latino studies and Southeast Asian studies. . . .

    . . .“We’re just saying what the community wants,” said Rev. Karen Crozier, oneof the activists. “We didn’t fight for a white male or female teacher to educate our babies.”

    Crozier, who appears to be a professor at Fresno Pacific Biblical Seminary, also suggested that a white person cannot teach minority children in this instance because of racism. . . .

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/29/black-leaders-in-fresno-oppose-white-cultural-studies-teacher/
    Go to any liberal arts education on the Eastern/Western seaboard and you'll find that most of the professors in the history/culture departments are white. This is one specific case in one place - not by any means a general situation or "institutional".
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    re: Whites Need Not Apply?[W:68]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I can understand why Black folks in this community would want to have a Black person teaching a cultural studies class. A Black teacher would likely be able to relate to the predominately Black student population than a White teacher in this particular field. However, I think the Black community would be doing themselves a dis-service by maintaining the notion that only a Black teacher can teach cultural studies to a minority student body. Anyone seen Freedom Writers, for example? Wasn't exactly the same thing, but it showed that a White (female) teacher could successfully teach a culturally diverse group of high school kids.
    But in this case, 'cultural studies' included black, Asian, and Middle Eastern studies. Now it seems to me, if we want to get really REALLY ridiculous with this, the white teacher is the logical choice as he/she would not likely have the same cultural bias in favor of one of those topics.
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    re: Whites Need Not Apply?[W:68]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    So you admit to your own cultural bias and that is valid. But it is on the face of it a little 'off' to project that onto others.

    I as a white woman can be perfectly qualified to teach issues primarily affecting men just as a man can be perfectly qualified to teach women's studies. Maybe a man isn't able to speak from the same experience as a woman, but he can certainly also provide a different perspective that a female would not likely have. I have probably learned more 'cultural studies' from reading people like William Raspberry, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Shelby Steele, Starr Parker, et al, and what I mostly learned is how skewed and prejudicial is some of the teaching coming from the so-called civil rights leaders and advocates, and how badly some of those have distorted the black experience in America.

    At the same time can a black man fully understand how difficult it can be for a white person to know the 'right thing to say' or relate to a racist black person or other minority group? And is a black person raised among racists and fully ingrained with a victim/oppressed point of view and militant attitudes capable of understanding that the person who treats all people and same and uses the same language to talk to everybody is truly non racist despite being politically incorrect?
    I wouldn't call it cultural confirmation on my part necessarily, at least I feel that term is a bit too strong. I don't believe in discrimination of any kind, but at the same time African studies - me being a college student and seeing it first hand - are primarily comprised of African students. For the students who are black the study is not purely textual it is also sentimental, experienced, and it resonates within them because they are African. And I can then see why a African students would prefer to have a teacher who can share that intimate quality of the curriculum with them, because he/she too would also be experiencing the class in that way.

    At the same time such a teacher may not have the purely objective lens that a white teacher could have on the subject. a teacher who does not have that sort of connection to the course will be able to approach from angles not necessarily capable by teachers who too tightly woven into the subject they are teaching.

    So I see both sides. I understand the knee jerk reaction (about cultural studies that is, the nonsense about not allowing white teachers to teach general ed. to minorities is racist bull****) and I can also see the benefit of having a teacher of another race being able to teach such a course with objectivity. And this is not to say black teachers couldn't be objective, but you get the point.
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    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    re: Whites Need Not Apply?[W:68]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I can understand why Black folks in this community would want to have a Black person teaching a cultural studies class. A Black teacher would likely be able to relate to the predominately Black student population than a White teacher in this particular field. However, I think the Black community would be doing themselves a dis-service by maintaining the notion that only a Black teacher can teach cultural studies to a minority student body. Anyone seen Freedom Writers, for example? Wasn't exactly the same thing, but it showed that a White (female) teacher could successfully teach a culturally diverse group of high school kids.
    Well, as I posted to OV, in the case cited in the OP, if we are going to say that race is a factor in a person's teaching credentials, then the white teacher is the logical one to not likely have a racial bias or show favoritism toward any of the three racial groups included in the course material.
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    re: Whites Need Not Apply?[W:68]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    I wouldn't call it cultural confirmation on my part necessarily, at least I feel that term is a bit too strong. I don't believe in discrimination of any kind, but at the same time African studies - me being a college student and seeing it first hand - are primarily comprised of African students. For the students who are black the study is not purely textual it is also sentimental, experienced, and it resonates within them because they are African. And I can then see why a African students would prefer to have a teacher who can share that intimate quality of the curriculum with them, because he/she too would also be experiencing the class in that way.

    At the same time such a teacher may not have the purely objective lens that a white teacher could have on the subject. a teacher who does not have that sort of connection to the course will be able to approach from angles not necessarily capable by teachers who to tightly woven into the subject they are teaching.

    So I see both sides. I understand the knee jerk reaction (about cultural studies that is, the nonsense about not allowing white teachers to teach general ed. to minorities is racist bull****) and I can also see the benefit of having a teacher of another race being able to teach such a course with objectivity. And this is not to say black teachers couldn't be objective, but you get the point.
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    re: Whites Need Not Apply?[W:68]

    Quote Originally Posted by Warwulf View Post
    From personal experience, a RACIST is one who hates others or a cause or a religion JUST BECAUSE it isn't THEIRS. However, a RACIALIST is one who understands their own culture, heritage and race and wish to preserve it and they are also educated as to the actions, words and deeds of those others who are not like themselves, who wish to destroy, subvert, distort or otherwise brainwash their own people against their own race.
    "Racism", "racist", "bigot", "hater", "Nazi" ad nauseum, is usually screeched out by the minorities or shabbat goyim at the white people who refuse to become part of the herd and choose to think for themselves.
    Deal with it because all you who call me a racist are hypocritical haters yourselves. the truth and facts know no religion, race or culture: it merely IS due to Natures Laws.
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    re: Whites Need Not Apply?[W:68]

    Wonder where that Warwulf guy went...
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    re: Whites Need Not Apply?[W:68]

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    Re: Whites Need Not Apply?[W:68]

    Seriously??? Who voted for the first two choices?
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    Re: Whites Need Not Apply?[W:68]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Go to any liberal arts education on the Eastern/Western seaboard and you'll find that most of the professors in the history/culture departments are white. This is one specific case in one place - not by any means a general situation or "institutional".
    I don't know. I got most of my formal education some decades ago but I had white, black, Hispanic, Asian, and Native American teachers/professors. On the Eastern seaboard you have a lot of states with very small minority populations. In the west that is much more racially diverse, I doubt that history or liberal arts departments go out of their way to hire white professors but maybe few minorities go into those fields. I know a great many of my kids' math and science professors were Asian, many who spoke English with such pronounced accents that at times it was a real problem for my kids.

    But I do know that when we start measuring the quality of academics by counting people of color instead of via who is competent and knowledgeable to teach courses, we are screwed.
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