• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Whites Need Not Apply?[W:68]

Mutliple Choice - Check all statement you see as true:

  • A white person should not teach minority children.

    Votes: 2 3.3%
  • A person of a minority race cannot teach white children.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Race is not a factor on a person's competency to teach anything.

    Votes: 37 61.7%
  • Making the race of a teacher an issue is in itself racist.

    Votes: 18 30.0%
  • I have a completely different perspective and will explain.

    Votes: 3 5.0%

  • Total voters
    60
I don't know the "institutionalized racism" argument, but I'll attempt to shed some light.

Minorities cannot be racist against the majority because there are not societal impacts of their racial bigotry regarding systemic injustice/privilege at the social scale in question (national or global). As racism is a social construct, it can only be defined by social factors.

Now, regarding your incorrect context. You see, the white person can move and no longer be the subject of racial bigotry. A black person cannot move away from racial bigotry present throughout society. Since a white person can move to escape, and a black person cannot, these are not the same situations. Thus, the context to be examined in determining systemic injustice/privilege is that of national or global.

.02

I love it when you try to add some levity by being absurd. Awesome effort.
 
I can go there, and I can leave. Even if those cities were controlled by black power (they're not), I could escape the racial bigotry.

Black people cannot escape racial bigotry. White people can. See the difference?

No I don't. Anybody in the US can escape to anywhere the like. By the way I don't buy the racial bigotry writ large. I have seen genuine oppression. It aint in this country. You want to see systematic oppression, go to Kuwait, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, India, China, basically most of the old world. You will see REAL oppression. What is called oppression here in the US, is in the figment of someone's imagination.
 
I have to gently disagree. There ARE plenty of racists in this country but they are the ones who demand that skin color be obvious, at the forefront of everybody's consciousness, and deferred to. They are the ones who exploit skin color to the max, who enlist their gullible advocates to make sure that racism is deemed alive, well, increasing, and the most horrible thing that happens in society--there are plenty of folks who profit mightily from the doctrine and a whole big block of people in government who depend on it for their power, prestige, influence, and tenure.

In the context of the OP they are here. You see their posts. They see recognition and deference to skin color as all important and whether people of color actually are educated in the schools as secondary or even immaterial.

Seems to me a good teacher of so-called 'cultural studies' would be teaching the concept that we don't have to be limited by what we are born into or our own experience and would illustrate the many many examples of people of all genders, races, and ethnic groups who have lived lives that demonstrates that truth. The teacher would encourage the students to understand what is required to become a responsible, productive, and successful member of society and that the choice to do that is theirs. And the teacher would understand that self esteem does not come from seeing ourselves as limited by who or what we are, but comes from success in meeting real objectives and goals and would push the students to believe in themselves so that they will do that.

And the skin color of the teacher will not have a damn thing to do with how good he or she is at teaching that.

To be honest with you, I don't even think they the noisy minority of race pimps even make up a hundredth place decimal point in statistical terms, that's everyone combined white power, black power, la raza, the shebang. Most Americans I think just don't give a damn about one way or another. It actually has to be brought to their attention. Even then most think its much ado about nothing unless its a very specific incident. That's my opinion.
 
With all due respect, I think the people keeping racism alive are the ones who deny its existence.

I don't deny the existence of it. I deny that it is widespread influential and oppressive. I think with rare exception it is mostly perceived and not really genuine. I have seen the real deal. What we call racism, and what racism really is are two completely different things. Go to Kuwait, India, Pakistan, Russia, pretty much anywhere in the old world except maybe some of the Scandinavian countries and you will find genuine real and oppressive racism. People in our country are for the most part quite friendly and accommodating to damn near everyone. Every country has their dicks and assholes, but the US's dicks and assholes are in general much tamer than the garden variety you find outside the states.
 
To be honest with you, I don't even think they the noisy minority of race pimps even make up a hundredth place decimal point in statistical terms, that's everyone combined white power, black power, la raza, the shebang. Most Americans I think just don't give a damn about one way or another. It actually has to be brought to their attention. Even then most think its much ado about nothing unless its a very specific incident. That's my opinion.

I tend to agree. Unfortunately the squeaky wheel and all that. And as long as there is profit to be made in racism, there are plenty of people willing to exploit it and plenty of gullible types willing to believe that is a noble thing.
 
I don't deny the existence of it. I deny that it is widespread influential and oppressive. I think with rare exception it is mostly perceived and not really genuine. I have seen the real deal. What we call racism, and what racism really is are two completely different things. Go to Kuwait, India, Pakistan, Russia, pretty much anywhere in the old world except maybe some of the Scandinavian countries and you will find genuine real and oppressive racism. People in our country are for the most part quite friendly and accommodating to damn near everyone. Every country has their dicks and assholes, but the US's dicks and assholes are in general much tamer than the garden variety you find outside the states.

Actually, Russia's a lot less racist than you might think. They have a long history of "assimilating" different Asian groups.
 
It's so hard to do sarcasm over the internet...

Especially when there are those that are incapable of discerning even the most dripping of sarcasm...lol. I find that, for those types of posters, this graphic illustration comes in handy.... sarcasm.gif
 
It IS racist. Even by "institutionalized racism" arguments. Here you have black leaders who are in positions of authority demanding that a white person be replaced....because he's white. I'd LOVE to see the apologists try and argue past this one.

Jesus. WTH can people not learn to see past skin color?

I have to say I agree with you on this one. I went to a HBCU where the professor over African American studies was white. I had no problem with him and neither did my fellow classmates. He taught the subject unfiltered. He was so knowledgeable about the black culture that we named him White Chocolate.

Anyway, the black community is wrong for this and yes it is racist. I will even go a little further and say that I bet that most of them that are against it don't even know their own history anyway.
 
I don't know what you've been reading, but it certainly hasn't been this thread. Do have a nice day.

You're ignoring the facts. 'Irish need not apply' (what your thread's title is based on) was a societal issue. It wasn't a single isolated case as this situation is. The fact is that if anything, whites are accurately represented when it comes to teaching courses such as this one so you have nothing to fear. The white hegemony over our schools is not in any danger.
 
You're ignoring the facts. 'Irish need not apply' (what your thread's title is based on) was a societal issue. It wasn't a single isolated case as this situation is. The fact is that if anything, whites are accurately represented when it comes to teaching courses such as this one so you have nothing to fear. The white hegemony over our schools is not in any danger.

My thread title referred to a particular situation in a particular school. I didn't ignore any facts whatsoever. I posted the article that explained the situation and asked the folks here at DP what they thought about it. Sorry you missed the point.
 
My thread title referred to a particular situation in a particular school.

Anti-Irish sentiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Irish Catholics were isolated and marginalised by society. Both ministers and priests discouraged intermarriage between Catholics and Protestants. In addition, the creation of a parochial school system and numerous colleges affiliated with the Church tended to compound rather than alleviate anti-Catholic discrimination.[25]

After 1860 many Irish sang songs about signs reading "HELP WANTED – NO IRISH NEED APPLY"; these signs came to be known as "NINA signs." (This is sometimes written as "IRISH NEED NOT APPLY" and referred to as "INNA signs").[5] The 1862 song, "No Irish Need Apply", was inspired by NINA signs in London. Later Irish Americans adapted the lyrics, and the songs perpetuated the belief among Irish Americans that they were discriminated against.[5]

Again, one situation - in one school - in one location. (insert race here) need not apply is a statement for an issue of societal discrimination on economic grounds. Your thread title doesn't match the article due to the fact that the teachers (at every level) in the country are still represented in accordance to the country's demographics. You don't need to fear. White people can still teach the dark people history as they see it.
 
Anti-Irish sentiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Again, one situation - in one school - in one location. (insert race here) need not apply is a statement for an issue of societal discrimination on economic grounds. Your thread title doesn't match the article due to the fact that the teachers (at every level) in the country are still represented in accordance to the country's demographics. You don't need to fear. White people can still teach the dark people history as they see it.

Did you even read the OP? And my thread title was an observation related to the thread and an invitation to comment or participate. The thread is not about whether the thread title is appropriate according to Hatuey. I'm sorry it displeased you, but I think most understood the metaphor.
 
Back
Top Bottom