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    Re: Would You Welcome The Refugee Children To Your State/City?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Absolutely. Its inhumane to turn refugees away.
    Refugees
    Under United States law, a refugee is someone who:
    •Is located outside of the United States
    •Is of special humanitarian concern to the United States
    •Demonstrates that they were persecuted or fear persecution due to race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group
    Is not firmly resettled in another country
    •Is admissible to the United States


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    But refugees and migrants, even if they often travel in the same way, are fundamentally different, and for that reason are treated very differently under modern international law. Migrants, especially economic migrants, choose to move in order to improve the future prospects of themselves and their families.

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    A refugees could even be fleeing war, famine or natural disaster.

    A person leaving their country for a better life is NOT a refugee.
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    Re: Would You Welcome The Refugee Children To Your State/City?

    A more apt and truthful title might have been - "would you welcome them into into your home?" I would be interested in knowing how many the Governor and the mayor are going to personally take in, since they certainly can't be expected to live on the street.

    And what criteria would you use to consider taking them in- would age matter; ie, teenager vs pre-school; or gender; or whether they have been immunized since you may have children of your own to consider? We have American children that are currently in orphanages through no fault of their own, and while helping someone in need is commendable, and most people do what they can to help, these children came here by choice, and they are not refugees!

    If they are going to be warehoused somewhere other than the border states, which will help relieve the problem of overwhelming numbers of illegal children in those states, is it fair to separate them? Most of them don't speak English.

    I'm sorry, but many of us don't like the insinuation that we are somehow lesser Americans because Oregon is being so altruistic about helping Obama correct a problem of his own making! Good luck to Oregon, though. :

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    Re: Would You Welcome The Refugee Children To Your State/City?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm delighted to hear that there are no poor, homeless, hungry, destitute people living in Portland specifically and Oregon in general. It's only right that with such unlimited wealth and prosperity for every living soul in the State that you would open up your arms and your homes to those less fortunate in the world. It's a pity you didn't look around the rest of the United States, at the poverty some of your fellow Americans live in, before you decided to take up healing the rest of the Western Hemisphere.
    I think once people start realizing the fact that we have our own poor and homeless to worry about they will change their tune and oppose these illegals coming here in the guise of refugee status.Because many of those poor and homeless will start to ask "what about us" or "What about helping us out".

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    Re: Would You Welcome The Refugee Children To Your State/City?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    A more apt and truthful title might have been - "would you welcome them into into your home?" I would be interested in knowing how many the Governor and the mayor are going to personally take in, since they certainly can't be expected to live on the street.

    And what criteria would you use to consider taking them in- would age matter; ie, teenager vs pre-school; or gender; or whether they have been immunized since you may have children of your own to consider? We have American children that are currently in orphanages through no fault of their own, and while helping someone in need is commendable, and most people do what they can to help, these children came here by choice, and they are not refugees!

    If they are going to be warehoused somewhere other than the border states, which will help relieve the problem of overwhelming numbers of illegal children in those states, is it fair to separate them? Most of them don't speak English.

    I'm sorry, but many of us don't like the insinuation that we are somehow lesser Americans because Oregon is being so altruistic about helping Obama correct a problem of his own making! Good luck to Oregon, though. :

    Its like when democrats were screaming to close Gito.But that sounded nice until the issue of where to stick them at came up. Heck these illegals are not even going to be in the same neighborhoods at these politicians who are demanding we take in these illegal immigrants.Easy for them to advocate for something when they are not the ones dealing with the costs.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Would You Welcome The Refugee Children To Your State/City?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Jesus isn't here.If we were to send those kids to Jesus the UN would be trying to charge us with genocide or mass murder.
    The GOP disproportionately consists of conservative Christians. Sorry, Jesus is very much in play here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    You took that quote out of context. Take them home is not what Jesus implied. He was telling his disciples to stop preventing the children from approaching him. I'll bet posting it made you feel better though.

    Matthew 19:14 Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
    Oh you would like to play the "what the Bible really says" game, would you? Excellent. I haven't played this game in awhile.

    You do know what Jesus said about reaching out to the needy in Matthew 25, right? And have you considered Leviticus 19:33-34? "And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God." There are plenty of other such scriptures, should you wish to entertain them.
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    Re: Would You Welcome The Refugee Children To Your State/City?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its like when democrats were screaming to close Gito.But that sounded nice until the issue of where to stick them at came up. Heck these illegals are not even going to be in the same neighborhoods at these politicians who are demanding we take in these illegal immigrants.Easy for them to advocate for something when they are not the ones dealing with the costs.
    It reminds me of the time when Senator Kennedy was all in favor of wind farms as an alternate energy source - until he found that they would block his view of the ocean, and that idea was squelched, at least there. I don't really blame him though - if I had an ocean front property, I wouldn't want ugly windmills blocking my view either! The difference is that he had the clout to block it, where I might have been told to deal with the windmills for the "common good."

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    Re: Would You Welcome The Refugee Children To Your State/City?

    I certainly would not mind caring for children absent of parents under the age of 16 into my community if I knew they would be returned to their homeland in a matter of weeks. But I don't have that guarantee because of the law changes in 2008 by the Democratic majority. But what is coming across the border for the most part are teenagers, mostly males. So the answer is NO. The laws need to be amended. The kids need to be returned ASAP. The whole situation is absurd and could have been avoided. Wake up people!

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    Re: Would You Welcome The Refugee Children To Your State/City?

    I live in a state where we already have a foster care crisis with children in shelters, group homes and in cps offices. Now the govt...Feds...whoever are offering all this $$$ to take these refugee children. This will mean a longer wait for our kids already in the system, and further budget cuts that will effect OUR families and children.

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    Re: Would You Welcome The Refugee Children To Your State/City?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I certainly would not mind caring for children absent of parents under the age of 16 into my community if I knew they would be returned to their homeland in a matter of weeks. But I don't have that guarantee because of the law changes in 2008 by the Democratic majority. But what is coming across the border for the most part are teenagers, mostly males. So the answer is NO. The laws need to be amended. The kids need to be returned ASAP. The whole situation is absurd and could have been avoided. Wake up people!
    I would be fine with that. Unfortunately, I have zero faith that that would actually happen.
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    Re: Would You Welcome The Refugee Children To Your State/City?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I would be fine with that. Unfortunately, I have zero faith that that would actually happen.
    I know it wouldn't happen Radcen with the way the Democratic majority in 2008 worded the law changes in immigration.

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