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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Are you pretending you've never heard that saying here or elsewhere?
    I've only heard it from Archie Bunker.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    Of course, these are the same people who will give plenty to charity but would just as soon kick the bum on the street in the eye before they would give him a quarter.


    can you for a minute, look at that statement, and wonder why?

    i have offered jobs to the guys on the corner many times.....you know what they say?

    screw that....i dont want to work....

    i figured if they were hungry they would work cleaning out a garage, or pulling weeds, or some other job in my yard that i really didnt want to do

    and maybe they could earn a little dignity along with some cash.....

    at least when i give money to my three charities, i basically know what it is used for, and where it goes....i sit on the board for the biggest of the three

    when i have seen my wife give money to a guy on the streets, inevitably we see him later drinking from his bottle

    i learned a long time ago to try and not enable people.....

    i believe that 95% can succeed with a hand up if they want to....

    not going to waste my time, money, or energy anymore on the ones that refuse to help themselves

    if that makes me your poster child for what's wrong with the "right", then so be it


    and btw....These are people who would agree that what transpired with the credit default swap crisis of '08 was without question completely unethical but not illegal. Therefore justifiable and acceptable.

    either we are a land of laws, or we arent.....just because you dont like something doesnt make it illegal

    and yes....there is a huge difference between unethical and illegal....any lawyer in the land can explain it to you

    Yes. Bums are ugly, and people dislike ugly.

    Anecdotes of individual experiences are neither verifiable nor convincing.

    Yes, we know where that money you give to charities go, to executive salaries, it's a must remember -- how else are non-profits suppose to compete for talent?

    Yes, but I'd go further and say 100% can. Of course, success is subjective.

    I don't believe I pointed you out, but apparently you self identify.

    What you've said here as it regards the CDS affirms my position. You feel that so long as the force of the government doesn't dissuade you, that anything should be acceptable no matter the consequences.

    It is that prevalent attitude you've displayed that makes me say "Qwityerbitchin" when you cry about government regulations...

    If people learned to control themselves the government wouldn't have to.
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Why did this post automatically become about those on wellfare?

    Perhaps I should have given it a little more direction.

    What I'm speaking of has more to do with far right media and those that listen to it.

    For instance the reaction to immigration issue and the children that are being held on the border. The right wings reaction to this, and especially those I talk to on a somewhat regular basis, is basically ****'em.. send em back, I dont care. Its not an infrequent answer that I get. It seems to be the common answer to the question of what do we do with these children.

    On the other hand, when I ask those that I know to be left leaning their common reaction to it is different, more empathetic. To sum up the majority of their responses, most of them want to see something done about immigration but think that we need to take care of these children.

    Its a vastly different reaction to something that in my eyes shouldn't even be a question.


    Another example is the health care debate. Right wing tends to think that each person should be on their own and that they shouldn't have to pay for someone elses health care, yet that is exactly how insurance companies operate. This to me shows either a lack of empathy, or just ignorance as to how private insurance companies have always worked.

    There is two sides to each debate, and every one I've ever gotten into the person arguing that of the far right always takes the "lone wolf" stance, while the those on the left generally take the "we're all in this together" approach.
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I've only heard it from Archie Bunker.
    Mr. President and the other bleeding heart liberals - YouTube



    This one probably answered my question for me.
    Why Liberal Hearts Bleed and Conservatives Don't | Psychology Today
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Evidence suggests no. Conservatives give more to charity than liberals.
    I see it as conservatives giving more (monetary) and liberals doing more (volunteering).. each is a form of charity.

    Also, those who have the means to give more ($) tend to be conservative. Your average liberal is probably sitting in a dorm room some where.
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    and then exacting from the contributors--to whom a little means so much--a double share to guard the treasure!
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Your second link is praising liberals, so that obviously doesn't count as conservatives criticizing empathy. Your first link is just one guy. I'm sure you could find others, but your poll seems to be asking about more than just a handful of people. Am I wrong about that?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    I see it as conservatives giving more (monetary) and liberals doing more (volunteering).. each is a form of charity.

    Also, those who have the means to give more ($) tend to be conservative. Your average liberal is probably sitting in a dorm room some where.
    Do you have any evidence that shows liberals volunteer more?

    The last time I checked, liberals were slightly more wealthy than conservatives.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Your second link is praising liberals, so that obviously doesn't count as conservatives criticizing empathy. Your first link is just one guy. I'm sure you could find others, but your poll seems to be asking about more than just a handful of people. Am I wrong about that?
    refer to post #63

    the bleeding heart liberal thing is hardly what I wish to discuss.
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    and then exacting from the contributors--to whom a little means so much--a double share to guard the treasure!
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    refer to post #63
    Post #63 refers to your personal experience. Even if we accepted the word of Joe Schmoe on the internet, one person's personal experience is almost meaningless.



    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    the bleeding heart liberal thing is hardly what I wish to discuss.
    You brought it up. You haven't shown why this poll should be about the far right more than the far left.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    I think there are two sides to the coin with some on the left and some on the right buying into generalizations to fuel their ideology.

    I think some on the right believe people are less fortunate either solely or mostly due to the individual inflicting their situation upon themselves like drug use, laziness, poor financial choices or just people being scum and trying to play the welfare system for free money at the taxpayer's expense.

    I think some on the left believe people are less fortunate either solely or mostly due to outside circumstances beyond their control, being the victim of big business/corporations, the believe that race/ethnicity may put someone in these situations or that people just can't rise up due to the rich keeping people poor.

    I've seen people on both sides be very dogmatic (and very ignorant) with a closed mind in regards to how they view the less fortunate. In reality there are some people that fall on hard times because they got screwed over beyond their control, someone could have worked for a company for many years and then got laid off, someone could have a sick family member they are caring for that costs the family lots of time and money, a spouse could leave and tear the household apart. There are some who also abuse the system and choose to be in that situation, those who do make poor financial choices or those who have substance abuse problems and still those who are just plain lazy and don't want to work hard and advance themselves. In reality each person's case should be taken individually with individual factors behind the problem and individual solutions applied to fix it. If you think the right lack empathy largely because their policies are more geared toward less handouts and more work opportunities then would you say the left is simply naive because they trust those less fortunate are there due to means outside of their power and support more policies that mean more money being tossed at the issue at the expense of taxpayers?
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