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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    I don't think it is a lack of empathy so much as it is a willful stubbornness to rationalize their own contradictions, manage unrealistic expectations, being honest about their questionable motives, and a genuine misunderstanding of economics, justice, and human behavior.

    These are people who would agree that what transpired with the credit default swap crisis of '08 was without question completely unethical but not illegal. Therefore justifiable and acceptable.

    These are people who think that we live in some sort of paleolithic era in which if you can't provide for yourself; food, shelter, and in today's world HC, and education than you're just weak and should die off -- if you can't get your share of charitable giving to sustain yourself.

    These are the same people who can't understand the exploitive nature of capital toward labor, that labor is a commodity and like all commodities needs to be acquired for the lowest cost possible. It's the dehumanizing nature of Capitalism and liberalism for that matter. (in every possible definition of the word)

    Of course, these are the same people who will give plenty to charity but would just as soon kick the bum on the street in the eye before they would give him a quarter.

    So, in short, no I don't think it's a lack of empathy. Claiming that only dehumanizes them and gives them an out. They choose to be the way they are. They can choose to change.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Liberals think they get to claim charitible intent when they promote policies under which government takes by force from some to give to others. Conservatives think it only counts as charitable when you willingly give what is legitimately yours to give.
    needs repeating.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Now the system isn't perfect because as it is now, once you get on it it is hard to get off the system literally. When you do manage to find a job, they cut you off right away instead of giving you a reasonable grace period from the time you get the job to when you get your first paycheck. That is just one of the issues.
    Bold: I want to make a little clarification here. While this is technically true Welfare does give you 30 days to report that you have found a job. You can use that time to work and get your first paycheck. At least in ID they do. Not sure in other states. This was from my own experience when I was using foodstamps at one point. Though I didn't wait 30 days. I wanted off asap cause I hate having to use it. I just knew about it because I did do my research cause I've got kids and wanted to make the best decision for them also.
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    A complete inability to relate to those who are less fortunate.
    Does the far left have a complete inability to relate to those who are less fortunate?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Not at all. We just disagree very sharply with those on the far wrong about how to express “empathy”.

    There have been numerous studies that show that in general, conservatives are far more generous in voluntarily donating to, and otherwise supporting charitable causes, than liberals.

    Liberals are happy to make a show of being “generous” with other people's money, through the support of government policies that steal wealth from those who have rightfully earned it, to be given to those who have not; but are rarely generous with anything that is legitimately their own to give.

    Could that be because those who have the financial means to be "generous" with their money are by in large, Republicans?
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Does the far left have a complete inability to relate to those who are less fortunate?
    If they don't then the right needs to stop referring to those on the far left as "bleeding heart liberals". It seems to me that those on the left fight for causes (environmental, womens rights, socioeconomic inequality) , where those on the right fight for themselves.
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    and then exacting from the contributors--to whom a little means so much--a double share to guard the treasure!
    - Robert M. LaFollette, Wisconsin Governor and U.S. Senator

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I don't think it is a lack of empathy so much as it is a willful stubbornness to rationalize their own contradictions, manage unrealistic expectations, being honest about their questionable motives, and a genuine misunderstanding of economics, justice, and human behavior.

    These are people who would agree that what transpired with the credit default swap crisis of '08 was without question completely unethical but not illegal. Therefore justifiable and acceptable.

    These are people who think that we live in some sort of paleolithic era in which if you can't provide for yourself; food, shelter, and in today's world HC, and education than you're just weak and should die off -- if you can't get your share of charitable giving to sustain yourself.

    These are the same people who can't understand the exploitive nature of capital toward labor, that labor is a commodity and like all commodities needs to be acquired for the lowest cost possible. It's the dehumanizing nature of Capitalism and liberalism for that matter. (in every possible definition of the word)

    Of course, these are the same people who will give plenty to charity but would just as soon kick the bum on the street in the eye before they would give him a quarter.

    So, in short, no I don't think it's a lack of empathy. Claiming that only dehumanizes them and gives them an out. They choose to be the way they are. They can choose to change.

    Of course, these are the same people who will give plenty to charity but would just as soon kick the bum on the street in the eye before they would give him a quarter.


    can you for a minute, look at that statement, and wonder why?

    i have offered jobs to the guys on the corner many times.....you know what they say?

    screw that....i dont want to work....

    i figured if they were hungry they would work cleaning out a garage, or pulling weeds, or some other job in my yard that i really didnt want to do

    and maybe they could earn a little dignity along with some cash.....

    at least when i give money to my three charities, i basically know what it is used for, and where it goes....i sit on the board for the biggest of the three

    when i have seen my wife give money to a guy on the streets, inevitably we see him later drinking from his bottle

    i learned a long time ago to try and not enable people.....

    i believe that 95% can succeed with a hand up if they want to....

    not going to waste my time, money, or energy anymore on the ones that refuse to help themselves

    if that makes me your poster child for what's wrong with the "right", then so be it


    and btw....These are people who would agree that what transpired with the credit default swap crisis of '08 was without question completely unethical but not illegal. Therefore justifiable and acceptable.

    either we are a land of laws, or we arent.....just because you dont like something doesnt make it illegal

    and yes....there is a huge difference between unethical and illegal....any lawyer in the land can explain it to you
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    First of all don't know how to answer because this post and the poll don't mean the same thing. So I'll answer your statement of "A complete inability to relate to those who are less fortunate".

    The answer is no, they don't lack the inability. The simple fact is that there are HUGE abuses to the social safety net systems. Welfare needs to be completely overhauled and then have true oversight. Welfare is not meant to be used for "Well I don't feel like working so I won't". It was meant as a temporary thing to help lift people up from the short term troubles they faced.

    Now the system isn't perfect because as it is now, once you get on it it is hard to get off the system literally. When you do manage to find a job, they cut you off right away instead of giving you a reasonable grace period from the time you get the job to when you get your first paycheck. That is just one of the issues.

    Many on the right have an issues with 2-3 generational families living off welfare completely, illegal immigrants sucking off the healthcare system as well as welfare. These are legitimate concerns.
    I agree with everything you mentioned above. However the problem I see is MANY on the right place everyone who needs help in one huge 47% bucket. Their belief is that you are a free loader if you need any assistants from the government. And the approach to those without even understanding the situation is vicious.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    If they don't then the right needs to stop referring to those on the far left as "bleeding heart liberals".
    Are you referring to Archie Bunker?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Are you referring to Archie Bunker?
    Are you pretending you've never heard that saying here or elsewhere?
    Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?
    - Abraham Lincoln

    Before the war is ended, the war party assumes the divine right to denounce and silence all opposition to war as unpatriotic and cowardly.
    - Robert M. LaFollette, Wisconsin Governor and U.S. Senator

    God, how patient are Thy poor! These corporations and masters of manipulation in finance heaping up great fortunes by a system of legalized extortion,
    and then exacting from the contributors--to whom a little means so much--a double share to guard the treasure!
    - Robert M. LaFollette, Wisconsin Governor and U.S. Senator

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