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Thread: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    In what way is it assuming anything? Its asking do those are the far right, conservative / libertarians lack empathy? Not sure how that is confusing.

    The poll question and the title question are the same thing as well.. both ask if those on the far right lack empathy.. If you take the literal dictionary definition of empathy, I can see how the OP might not fit if you were so much of a literal human being that you couldn't see what I was getting at. It shouldn't be too hard, I'm simply asking if the attitudes of far right individuals shows any patterns of lacking empathy. Especially in the media.
    Part of it is because you are placing libertarians at the far right. We are hardly close. Libertarians support SSM and other social issues the same as most liberals, whereas we also support fiscal responsibility and conservative spending as do most conservatives. Many libertarians even support the concept of the "safety net" programs although most I am aware of do not support the current methods and procedures. Basically we want the left out of our wallets and the right out of our bedrooms.

    Now had you worded your OP to the effect of those who are conservative, libertarian or otherwise right of liberal, it would have made more sense.
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    A complete inability to relate to those who are less fortunate.
    No. We're so sympathetic, in fact, that we're willing to spend our OWN money to help the poor rather than stealing money from others to do it. There is no virtue in government charity, and there is no virtue in advocating it. A person's character is not defined by what he tells others to do, but what he does himself. You want to change the world? Help the poor? Lead by example. A better world is not achievable at the point of a gun.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Both ideologies are deeply misanthropic. The most misanthropic of all, I've found, is Rand's Objectivism. Her followers are bloody nuts to put it bluntly. They'd be absolutely fine if the world crumbled around them while they are soaked in egotism.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by onwisconsin View Post
    a complete inability to relate to those who are less fortunate.
    lol !!

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    .... A better world is not achievable at the point of a gun.
    That would depend on where on the globe you live.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    A complete inability to relate to those who are less fortunate.
    No. We're so sympathetic, in fact, that we're willing to spend our OWN money to help the poor rather than stealing money from others to do it. There is no virtue in government charity, and there is no virtue in advocating it. A person's character is not defined by what he tells others to do, but what he does himself. You want to change the world? Help the poor? Lead by example. A better world is not achievable at the point of a gun.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    I think that approximately 1 in 3 people in the US are terrible people. People who would drive by a car accident and not stop to help. People who would walk past a desperate man and not listen. It doesn't matter what your politics are in that regard. If you want to make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make that change. A wise man said that, you know.

    Sure, anybody who starts ranting about all the lazy people on welfare probably is lacking something. But I think it's that a lot of us don't understand human nature. We don't realize that we are fully capable of the same reaction to the same situation. The Milgram Experiment? The Stanford Prison Experiment? We can be conditioned to become anything. Drug addicts aren't weak people, those on welfare aren't lazy, illegal immigrant's aren't criminals. Many of us are monsters, the only difference is whether or not the monster is the part of us that shows to the world. That said, a large part of my life is spent improving the lives of others, so there are good people in the world. But you won't identify them by the color of their tie or whether or not they have an American flag on their lawn.
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brouwer View Post
    Both ideologies are deeply misanthropic. The most misanthropic of all, I've found, is Rand's Objectivism. Her followers are bloody nuts to put it bluntly. They'd be absolutely fine if the world crumbled around them while they are soaked in egotism.
    Egotism is entirely different than objectivism. The thinkers behind Egotism were anarchists like Max Stirner that took the idea of Egotism past its common usage and turned it into an ideology all in it's own right. Rand with her faults did consider other people beyond the individual and very much wanted their rights protected, while men like Max Stirner considered murder entirely fine if it was in the interest of the individual that committed the act. Rand had no interest in seeing the world crumble around her, while men like Stirner thought it was irrational to think of anything beyond the self interest of the individual.

    I realize you were talking about the common usage of the word egotism, but I thought comparing it to the thoughts of Stirner would show why Rand was not a egotist.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    That's fine, but I am not interested in charity, but solving issues.
    Same here. That is why I don't think force is the answer.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No. Many of us who lean toward the right, with regard to fiscal matters, used to be in their shoes. We know that it is a condition which one can overcome. I don't cut anyone any slack who has the ability to succeed, but has a ****ty attitude.
    That is one of the common flaws in conservative thinking: "I made it out of poverty, everyone else can also." It is wrong because statistically, most people do not make it out of poverty, especially outside the USA.

    Making it out of poverty generally requires intelligence, ability to focus and do work, a supportive family or mentor and opportunity.

    Not everyone is intelligent and many poor people are impaired by toxins and/or mental illness. (being very poor makes many people crazy, often for generations) The stress and instability often associated with poverty can interfere with developing or applying intelligence.

    The ability to focus and do work is a skill that needs to be acquired (and may also be a genetic trait to some degree). In more successful families the ability to focus and do work is usually modeled and taught by parents without much conscious thought. That does not happen in many poor families, especially if they are struggling with substance abuse and mental illness.

    Almost every person who has risen out of poverty had a supportive family member or mentor that helps teach good work habits and knows how, where and when to make an effort to get results.

    Opportunities also matter. A young person given a legit part-time job or told about an internship or scholarship is more likely to be successful than one who is not given an opportunity or such guidance. There are only so many jobs and scholarships, so there is an element of luck involved.

    With enough time, money and effort these elements for success could be provided by K-12 schools, but currently they are not, especially in the public schools serving the poor. If we want to really solve some of our society's problems we should work on putting less resources into the military, prisons, justice system, police etc and invest it in giving every young person the best education, guidance and opportunity. Unfortunately, too many people think that they benefit from the current system of class oppression for it to happen anytime soon. (ie.prison guards) Instead profiteers are exploiting the good intentions of ignorant people to sell them their school and prison privatization schemes as a solution.
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