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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Actually the two are equal as the motivation is what matters. In both cases, people are seeking to help those in need. Pretending charity matters more is just partisan BS.
    Giving away someone else's money doesn't involve personal sacrifice. Giving away your own money requires enough empathy to overcome your own wants. When you're giving away someone else's money, there's nothing to overcome, so very little empathy is required.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Giving away someone else's money doesn't involve personal sacrifice. Giving away your own money requires enough empathy to overcome your own wants. When you're giving away someone else's money, there's nothing to overcome, so very little empathy is required.
    I am going to disagree with that. Fixing the issues of society that get people in the situation in the first place is recognizing that the scope of the issue then the feel goods of giving some money here and there.

    It requires deep enough thought to understand the short term "I'm proud of myself" feeling is insufficient to do any real long term wide spread good

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I am going to disagree with that. Fixing the issues of society that get people in the situation in the first place is recognizing that the scope of the issue then the feel goods of giving some money here and there.

    It requires deep enough thought to understand the short term "I'm proud of myself" feeling is insufficient to do any real long term wide spread good
    Politically speaking, giving away someone else's money IS the simple solution. Doing what's good for the economy requires more thought.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Politically speaking, giving away someone else's money IS the simple solution. Doing what's good for the economy requires more thought.
    The two aren't mutually exclusive and government has a role to play in enhancing the economy

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    government has a role to play in enhancing the economy
    If you mean small government, then yes.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    If you mean small government, then yes.
    I mean a regulatory government which makes up for market failures

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I mean a regulatory government which makes up for market failures
    heavily regulated = economic harm
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    BS. Giving from ones own wealth to help another (no matter which "group") is a much better measure than taking from another's wealth and redistributing it. BTW I had never heard anyone associate empathy with groups before.... seems odd.
    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Actually the two are equal as the motivation is what matters. In both cases, people are seeking to help those in need. Pretending charity matters more is just partisan BS.

    The reason the ingroup thing matters is that helping the ingroup versus just worrying about needs is a way to reinforce the culture of the ingroup making it an evolutionary survival strategy instead of an altruistic act. It has a lot of selfishness attached to it.
    Not “partisan BS” at all, but basic ethics.

    Charity consists only of giving what is rightfully yours to give. Taking from others what is not yours is just theft, no matter how noble you think your purpose is for what you are taking.

    There is no charity in being generous with other people's resources; only with your own.
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    A complete inability to relate to those who are less fortunate.
    No, not as a whole. Though each group (and other groups not mentioned) likely have individuals who do.
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Yes and no. While there are some bastards on the far right who completely lack any ability to care about anyone else (which is certainly not unique to any political persuasion), I think on a most basic level it's not about a lack of caring of others, it's just a different set of priorities.

    Generally speaking, those who are considered on "the left" try to focus their energy on improving the community, with the idea if the community is stronger, life will be better for the individuals. Those on "the right" tend to believe in focusing their energy on the individual, with the idea if all individuals are better off, then the community is will be stronger and life will be better.

    I don't think it's so much that people on the right don't care about others, they just believe effort should be put into improving the individual instead of the the community.
    I agree. Both sides want much of the same thing but disagree on how to go about it. Both want fairness. Both want everyone to do well. But the devil lies in the details of how to accomplish that.

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