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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Sure, before he gets sick.. After he gets sick it could be looked at entirely different.

    Empathy : the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this

    When the guy realizes he's going to die, I would be empathetic with him and more than likely sympathetic. This is why I agree with the individual mandate in health insurance, because I do think that sometimes personal freedom should take a back seat to personal well being. If the government has to protect this person from themselves then so be it.

    You basically cherry picked that one.
    The role of government isn't to protect a man from himself.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    A complete inability to relate to those who are less fortunate.
    Libertarians oppose the initiation of aggression against peaceful people, and they want both the less fortunate and the more fortunate to be protected. I would say that libertarians empathize equally with both the fortunate and unfortunate.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The role of government isn't to protect a man from himself.
    I dont give a **** if it is or not... sometimes it needs to.
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Partisans play the game. Are you a partisan?
    There was a study (I think at Stanford U.) not so long ago. They asked a group of conservatives to write an essay about what Obama has done right, and a group of liberals to write an essay that was similarly complimentary of Bush 43. Thirty percent of the liberals were willing to write such an essay about Bush 43, but none - not a single one - of the conservatives were willing to write that essay about Obama.

    Try it for yourself - challenge any liberal on this forum to write about what Bush 43 did right - and since most of us on here are politically active, I'd wager that half of us liberals would (as I myself would). On the other hand, try asking the same of conservatives about Obama on this forum. In the couple years I've been here, I've seen one - count 'em, one - conservative say that Obama did one thing right (getting bin Laden)...and that's it.

    It goes back to basic psychology. Research has shown that someone who is liberal is less afraid of the different, less apt to feel disgust...and generally less focused on threats. On the other hand, conservatives tend to be more afraid of the different, more apt to feel disgust, and more focused on threats. This does NOT mean that one side is better than the other - both are absolutely necessary for the growth of human civilization. For instance, when it comes to war, do you want the ones who are less focused on threats, or the ones who are more focused on threats? But this also explains why polls show that (generally speaking) conservatives do not want a politician who compromises, while liberals do want a politician who compromises...

    ...and it goes back to the old saw, "Republicans fall in line, Democrats fall in love."

    There is a very real difference between conservatives and liberals - we can see it in their disparate actions, and researchers are finding that there does appear to be a biological basis for this. It's not all nature, of course - nurture does play a definite part (else I would not have been a strong conservative in my youth). But all that is the reason why you see a partisan 'game'.
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    There was a study (I think at Stanford U.) not so long ago. They asked a group of conservatives to write an essay about what Obama has done right, and a group of liberals to write an essay that was similarly complimentary of Bush 43. Thirty percent of the liberals were willing to write such an essay about Bush 43, but none - not a single one - of the conservatives were willing to write that essay about Obama.

    Try it for yourself - challenge any liberal on this forum to write about what Bush 43 did right - and since most of us on here are politically active, I'd wager that half of us liberals would (as I myself would). On the other hand, try asking the same of conservatives about Obama on this forum. In the couple years I've been here, I've seen one - count 'em, one - conservative say that Obama did one thing right (getting bin Laden)...and that's it.
    Not quite a valid exercise, as one is the current president. A more valid one would have compared two former Presidents, as neither is in power anymore and are not perceived as a current enemy by one side.

    It goes back to basic psychology. Research has shown that someone who is liberal is less afraid of the different, less apt to feel disgust...and generally less focused on threats. On the other hand, conservatives tend to be more afraid of the different, more apt to feel disgust, and more focused on threats. This does NOT mean that one side is better than the other - both are absolutely necessary for the growth of human civilization. For instance, when it comes to war, do you want the ones who are less focused on threats, or the ones who are more focused on threats? But this also explains why polls show that (generally speaking) conservatives do not want a politician who compromises, while liberals do want a politician who compromises...

    ...and it goes back to the old saw, "Republicans fall in line, Democrats fall in love."

    There is a very real difference between conservatives and liberals - we can see it in their disparate actions, and researchers are finding that there does appear to be a biological basis for this. It's not all nature, of course - nurture does play a definite part (else I would not have been a strong conservative in my youth). But all that is the reason why you see a partisan 'game'.
    Cite the particular research if you're going to refer to it. What I describe as a partisan game is the group-think fixation on the party line politics and inability to discuss the issues directly.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    When the guy realizes he's going to die, I would be empathetic with him and more than likely sympathetic. This is why I agree with the individual mandate in health insurance, because I do think that sometimes personal freedom should take a back seat to personal well being. If the government has to protect this person from themselves then so be it.
    You have a very amateurish understanding of the Affordable Care Act if you think the mandate was about "protecting people from themselves."

    The state's only role in protecting people from themselves is civil commitment statutory procedure, and even that is as much about protecting others from a harmful person as it is protecting the person from him or herself.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    A complete inability to relate to those who are less fortunate.
    It's not that the far right can't relate. They don't allow so many excuses the left uses, and believes the tough love approach is better than pretending irresponsibility is OK.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Not quite a valid exercise, as one is the current president. A more valid one would have compared two former Presidents, as neither is in power anymore and are not perceived as a current enemy by one side.



    Cite the particular research if you're going to refer to it. What I describe as a partisan game is the group-think fixation on the party line politics and inability to discuss the issues directly.
    Really? Here's some of the research described in Psychology Today - a study by the University College London, building on research done at Harvard and at UCLA San Diego. I'm not aware of any particular partisan 'lean' by Psychology Today.

    Here's a Wikipedia page - it's neutrality is disputed...but of more interest is the list of studies linked to in the references - most of them do not appear to be politically partisan.

    Here's the .pdf of the University College London study itself: "Political Orientations Are Correlated with Brain Structure in Young Adults"

    And here's a study in the scientific Journal plosone.org: "Red Brain, Blue Brain: Evaluative Processes Differ in Democrats and Republicans"

    I don't remember where I saw it, but one of the studies also pointed out that when these studies are presented to conservatives and liberals, the liberals were more likely to agree that such political leans may indeed be due to biological reasons...whereas conservatives generally thought it was bullcrap. So if you think all this is bullcrap and dismiss the reason out-of-hand, that might be the reason why.
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    I don't think lacking empathy is the correct way to interpret people's actions. While I'm sure there are some people who flat out don't care, I think the more accurate interpretation is simply that different people have differing views on how to effectively address other people's "less fortunate" situations.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I don't think lacking empathy is the correct way to interpret people's actions. While I'm sure there are some people who flat out don't care, I think the more accurate interpretation is simply that different people have differing views on how to effectively address other people's "less fortunate" situations.
    Yep.

    Don't coddle them for one thing. Don't let them believe it's always someone elses fault, which seems to be the liberal/progressive mantra. Make them realize they need to be proactive if they want to get ahead.

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