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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    So let him die? What if this was your son, or uncle, or brother. You gonna tell him to his face, sorry you're gonna die..?
    What do YOU do in that situation. Remember, you're talking about individuals here. You seem to be a bit confused and switch without thought, between individual and group. Now in the situation you describe, you being a leftist, are unlikely to be able to help, besides, you don't do charity when it comes from your own pocket.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    I think you just proved my point.. lack of empathy.
    From Merriam Webster:

    em·pa·thy noun \ˈem-pə-thē\

    : the feeling that you understand and share another person's experiences and emotions : the ability to share someone else's feelings


    If someone chooses not to buy insurance, that is his choice. Empathy means you understand his choice. So in the example of the man who didn't buy insurance, respecting his freedom of choice is actually the very definition of empathy.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    From Merriam Webster:

    em·pa·thy noun \ˈem-pə-thē\

    : the feeling that you understand and share another person's experiences and emotions : the ability to share someone else's feelings


    If someone chooses not to buy insurance, that is his choice. Empathy means you understand his choice. So in the example of the man who didn't buy insurance, respecting his freedom of choice is actually the very definition of empathy.
    How do you get respecting a choice from the definition you posted regarding empathy? I see no correlation whatsoever. Respecting one's choice is valid, absolutely, but there's no level of understanding *why* they made the choice, or *what* they're feeling. Respecting is intellectual, not emotional. One can disagree with a person and still intellectually respect their conclusion.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How do you get respecting a choice from the definition you posted regarding empathy? I see no correlation whatsoever. Respecting one's choice is valid, absolutely, but there's no level of understanding *why* they made the choice, or *what* they're feeling. Respecting is intellectual, not emotional. One can disagree with a person and still intellectually respect their conclusion.
    I posted the definition of empathy because we discussed it at the beginning of this thread.

    If someone tells me that they choose not to do "x", I don't question if it it's a choice someone has the right to make. I also understand the feelings of grown ups who think they have a right to make their own decisions.

    I assume the OP meant sympathy, not empathy, since sympathy is a different emotion and has different results.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    A complete inability to relate to those who are less fortunate.
    I wouldn't put them all in a group, but there are people who are mostly "MY liberties" libertarians.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I posted the definition of empathy because we discussed it at the beginning of this thread.

    If someone tells me that they choose not to do "x", I don't question if it it's a choice someone has the right to make. I also understand the feelings of grown ups who think they have a right to make their own decisions.

    I assume the OP meant sympathy, not empathy, since sympathy is a different emotion and has different results.
    Sympathy is different from empathy, though many people think they're interchangeable.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    if by "empathy" you mean "enabling".

    In the meantime, conservatives are more likely to give their money to charity, more likely to give blood, and more likely to volunteer at soup kitchens and the like. The liberal response to this is typically that once you control for religiosity and income, conservatives and liberals are actually equally generous - an interesting argument, that once you strip out the main cause of conservatives' empathy, they only tie liberals. Regardless, it would certainly seem to disprove the thesis that somehow conservatives are significantly less likely to care about their fellow man.
    A side effect of the absolute travesty that all churches are considered charities by the IRS.

    Religious liberals give just as much as religious conservatives, religion is a far better indicator as to whether somebody "gives charitably" (emphasis on the double quotes there) than political lean. As soon as we take religious organizations out of the equation (seeing as by definition non-religious people don't give to church) the level of charitable donation evens out.
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    A complete inability to relate to those who are less fortunate.
    I don't think they lack empathy. Some of the nicest people I know are some of the most hardcore Tea Party members with the most far rightwing politics.

    I think the divide takes place with individualism vs collectivism and group mentalities.

    It seems like the far right is very empathetic and supportive of people in their immediate circles or people that share a lot of their characteristics. They don't seem to be very empathetic for people outside of their immediate circles or people that are different.

    I think it's interesting that you'll have overnight shifts in views when something changes though. Someone will think gays should never be married and once their son comes out gay...they do a 180. Someone will state that anyone that takes unemployment insurance is a moocher but the minute they need it the program is a life saver and is one of the "good" safety nets.
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I don't think they lack empathy. Some of the nicest people I know are some of the most hardcore Tea Party members with the most far rightwing politics.

    I think the divide takes place with individualism vs collectivism and group mentalities.

    It seems like the far right is very empathetic and supportive of people in their immediate circles or people that share a lot of their characteristics. They don't seem to be very empathetic for people outside of their immediate circles or people that are different.

    I think it's interesting that you'll have overnight shifts in views when something changes though. Someone will think gays should never be married and once their son comes out gay...they do a 180. Someone will state that anyone that takes unemployment insurance is a moocher but the minute they need it the program is a life saver and is one of the "good" safety nets.

    i have been here for a few months

    can you point out one post where a conservative, or right winger said we dont need safety nets at all?

    i havent seen one

    now i have posted that the unemployment benefits "should" expire at six months

    but that isnt the same thing...is it?

    but nothing like painting with a real broad brush
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    Re: Do far right Conservatives/Libertarians lack empathy?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    i have been here for a few months

    can you point out one post where a conservative, or right winger said we dont need safety nets at all?

    i havent seen one

    now i have posted that the unemployment benefits "should" expire at six months

    but that isnt the same thing...is it?

    but nothing like painting with a real broad brush
    So that's what you got from my post? Saying that conservatives want to abolish all safety nets? I'm not sure where I said that...maybe you could point that part out to me.
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