View Poll Results: What's the best indicator(s) of the success/failure of the "war on poverty"?

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  • How much money is allocated to social programs and welfare

    5 8.77%
  • Helping the most people possible live more comfortably regardless of their income or lack of it

    4 7.02%
  • By how many people are actually able to get out of poverty

    48 84.21%
  • Other

    9 15.79%
  • Death Star

    3 5.26%
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    "War on Poverty"

    I was listening to some talk show the other day, Hannity I think and he had Paul Ryan as a guest. They were speaking about the war on poverty and talking about how its success is measured. I thought that would make an interesting poll. What would be the best indicators of success (or failure)? I'll make it multiple choice.


    Working on the poll, options will be;

    1) By money allocated for social programs, e.g. the more the better
    2) By helping the most people possible live more comfortably regardless of their income or lack of it (I may need to shorten this one).
    3) By how many people are actually able to get out of poverty
    4) Other
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I was listening to some talk show the other day, Hannity I think and he had Paul Ryan as a guest. They were speaking about the war on poverty and talking about how its success is measured. I thought that would make an interesting poll. What would be the best indicators of success (or failure)? I'll make it multiple choice.


    Working on the poll, options will be;

    1) By money allocated for social programs, e.g. the more the better
    2) By helping the most people possible live more comfortably regardless of their income or lack of it (I may need to shorten this one).
    3) By how many people are actually able to get out of poverty
    4) Other
    If your goal is to substantially reduce or end poverty than the only logical conclusion is that you'd have to actually get people out of poverty. Throwing money at the problem or making the impoverished comfortable are counterproductive at best to the goal.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    The only measure of success is in how many people can improve their own lives, and rise above poverty. If you are merely being funded, then you haven't fixed anything- just thrown money at it. The basic and underlying problem is still there.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I was listening to some talk show the other day, Hannity I think and he had Paul Ryan as a guest. They were speaking about the war on poverty and talking about how its success is measured. I thought that would make an interesting poll. What would be the best indicators of success (or failure)? I'll make it multiple choice.


    Working on the poll, options will be;

    1) By money allocated for social programs, e.g. the more the better
    2) By helping the most people possible live more comfortably regardless of their income or lack of it (I may need to shorten this one).
    3) By how many people are actually able to get out of poverty
    4) Other
    I voted Death Star since Death Star-Tan is cute.

    I do not think you can end poverty, nor should that even be a particular goal. I think the idea behind safety nets is to ensure a basic level of substance living to those who need it. I further think government programs that help people get off the safety net so they can get themselves out of poverty are good(in general and theory, some programs through poor design or implementation may be bad programs themselves). How do you measure the success? Not sure there is a good answer to that.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Liberals aren't interested in getting people out of poverty, that would only cost them votes. They want to keep the poor in the poor house and buy their votes with government freebies. Surely everyone realizes that.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I voted Death Star since Death Star-Tan is cute.

    I do not think you can end poverty, nor should that even be a particular goal. I think the idea behind safety nets is to ensure a basic level of substance living to those who need it. I further think government programs that help people get off the safety net so they can get themselves out of poverty are good(in general and theory, some programs through poor design or implementation may be bad programs themselves). How do you measure the success? Not sure there is a good answer to that.
    Sure we can, at least for those people willing to actually get off their asses and work hard to improve their lot in life. Unfortunately, we've got 50 years of liberals telling people that they shouldn't have to work hard to get out of poverty, nor should they have to make good decisions in their lives. They just deserve stuff, just for waking up in the morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Sure we can, at least for those people willing to actually get off their asses and work hard to improve their lot in life. Unfortunately, we've got 50 years of liberals telling people that they shouldn't have to work hard to get out of poverty, nor should they have to make good decisions in their lives. They just deserve stuff, just for waking up in the morning.
    So by your own words you are not measuring the effects of the programs, but the willingness of people. Thank you for agreeing with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So by your own words you are not measuring the effects of the programs, but the willingness of people. Thank you for agreeing with me.
    Those people who are not willing to get off their asses, we shouldn't give anything to. Let them starve to death. I don't agree with you at all. We need a social expectation that EVERYONE needs to be responsible and those who refuse, screw 'em.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I was listening to some talk show the other day, Hannity I think and he had Paul Ryan as a guest. They were speaking about the war on poverty and talking about how its success is measured. I thought that would make an interesting poll. What would be the best indicators of success (or failure)? I'll make it multiple choice.


    Working on the poll, options will be;

    1) By money allocated for social programs, e.g. the more the better
    2) By helping the most people possible live more comfortably regardless of their income or lack of it (I may need to shorten this one).
    3) By how many people are actually able to get out of poverty
    4) Other
    I'm choosing # 4. We have to water the entire garden in this country. When we care for the garden - everything grows. We have no more jobs. We threw over the American dream for dividends. So what we wind up with is feeding a bunch of cattle that can't be milked and are no good for anything else. The Greeks referred to these people as nationalists. We did it, so bitching about the results is kind of - silly.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

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