View Poll Results: What's the best indicator(s) of the success/failure of the "war on poverty"?

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  • How much money is allocated to social programs and welfare

    5 8.77%
  • Helping the most people possible live more comfortably regardless of their income or lack of it

    4 7.02%
  • By how many people are actually able to get out of poverty

    48 84.21%
  • Other

    9 15.79%
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    3 5.26%
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Thread: "War on Poverty"

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    None. You compare current poverty rates to historical poverty rates and factor in the introduction of government programs as well as measures to keep people from entering poverty and you have yourself a pretty good indicator of whether the war on poverty has been successful. The US as a country has achieved a level of wealth that can't even be understood by people in 3rd world countries. Even the poorest Americans can count on dozens of government programs to help them, as well as hundreds of charities to pick up the slack. Whether Americans use them effectively or not is up to them but we certainly aren't facing starvation or poverty like the kind seen by our southern neighbors. FFS, we live in a country where the poverty line is set at $23K! There are entire families in Pakistan living comfortably on a 4th of that! So yeah, none of those even measure the success or failure of the "war on poverty" because the US' war on poverty is a bit of a joke to begin with.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Paul Ryan was on social programs from a young age all the way through college.
    Then he went to work for Jack Kemp and has never known anything but living off the public dole.

    Try all the sports socialism with new stadiums and corporate socialism and "tax-cuts-to-the-rich" socialism .
    Paul Ryans first job was at McDonalds, and he worked for a construction company.

    Tell us about Obama and Hillary's jobs.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    None. You compare current poverty rates to historical poverty rates and factor in the introduction of government programs as well as measures to keep people from entering poverty and you have yourself a pretty good indicator of whether the war on poverty has been successful. The US as a country has achieved a level of wealth that can't even be understood by people in 3rd world countries. Even the poorest Americans can count on dozens of government programs to help them, as well as hundreds of charities to pick up the slack. Whether Americans use them accurately or not is up to them but we certainly aren't facing starvation or poverty like the kind seen by our southern neighbors.
    But be it as it may, the US free trade policy since 1945 has lifted enormous numbers of people out of starvation into the middle class. Alone since 1989 it has been about 2 billions. This has arguably been the outstanding development program of human history.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    One needs to define poverty because according to the Heritage Study (taken directly from the census) most so-called poor people that the government claims are poor really arent poor: they have cars, large housing and adequate food to prevent them from starving, those with children even have an xBox. I wouldnt even classify them as poor.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    None. You compare current poverty rates to historical poverty rates and factor in the introduction of government programs as well as measures to keep people from entering poverty and you have yourself a pretty good indicator of whether the war on poverty has been successful. The US as a country has achieved a level of wealth that can't even be understood by people in 3rd world countries. Even the poorest Americans can count on dozens of government programs to help them, as well as hundreds of charities to pick up the slack. Whether Americans use them accurately or not is up to them but we certainly aren't facing starvation or poverty like the kind seen by our southern neighbors.
    Indeed, and even the standard of living from just 3 decades ago has hugely improved. Our poor have flat-screen 42 inch televisions, A/C, cars, cell phones, are hyper-obese, eat MORE protein than the wealthy, and have computers and the internet.

    And its not dozens of programs-its hundreds.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    But be it as it may, the US free trade policy since 1945 has lifted enormous numbers of people out of starvation into the middle class. Alone since 1989 it has been about 2 billions. This has arguably been the outstanding development program of human history.
    Absolutely-and in fact the same recipe for success, when adopted by other nations has rapidly delivered people from even the worst poverty. And it was from adopting capitalist policies-China and India are the best examples.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Indeed, and even the standard of living from just 3 decades ago has hugely improved. Our poor have flat-screen 42 inch televisions, A/C, cars, cell phones, are hyper-obese, eat MORE protein than the wealthy, and have computers and the internet.

    And its not dozens of programs-its hundreds.
    So then you agree that these programs have been helpful in getting people out of poverty? BTW - you never replied to this (even though you definitely got a notification) so I thought I'd remind you that the invitation is still there:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/battle...post1063511992
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    One needs to define poverty because according to the Heritage Study (taken directly from the census) most so-called poor people that the government claims are poor really arent poor: they have cars, large housing and adequate food to prevent them from starving, those with children even have an xBox. I wouldnt even classify them as poor.
    You beat me to it.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So then you agree that these programs have been helpful in getting people out of poverty? BTW - you never replied to this (even though you definitely got a notification) so I thought I'd remind you that the invitation is still there:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/battle...post1063511992
    Ive been banned for a while, but I remember that thread-I decided to spend my time elsewhere. And no, I disagree that in general these programs are helpful in getting people out of poverty-these programs define success as getting more people signed up. These improvements are the results of lowering costs, not govt programs.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Ive been banned for a while, but I remember that thread-I decided to spend my time elsewhere.
    If you were banned, you wouldn't be here. That's why it's called a perma-ban. Any who, I wouldn't ask you to back up your assertions anyways. You're not the type to do that.

    And no, I disagree that in general these programs are helpful in getting people out of poverty-these programs define success as getting more people signed up.
    And yet:

    - there are far more people living well above global indicators of poverty than any other point history. Source: Poverty: Not always with us | The Economist
    - there is far more global economic regulation than at any point in history. That makes the argument that it is free trade that is responsible for people coming out of poverty nothing more than absolute nonsense.
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