View Poll Results: What's the best indicator(s) of the success/failure of the "war on poverty"?

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  • How much money is allocated to social programs and welfare

    5 8.77%
  • Helping the most people possible live more comfortably regardless of their income or lack of it

    4 7.02%
  • By how many people are actually able to get out of poverty

    48 84.21%
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    9 15.79%
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    I seem to remember when President Reagan said, " The federal government declared war on poverty and poverty won."

    In layman terms, liberals/progressives won when it comes to keeping Americans living in poverty.
    It's the only platform the Democrat Party has, fighting poverty.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Reagan got his and O'Neill got his--I don't call that working together.
    I call it selling out the country and the definite beginning of our $18 trillion TAD--as Cheney's words will always remind us .
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Paul Ryan was on social programs from a young age all the way through college.
    Then he went to work for Jack Kemp and has never known anything but living off the public dole.
    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think the goal of getting people off poverty is a good one and one that's worth pursuing.
    Of course, I'd like to see "welfare to work" programs. Also, for those who are legitimately able, I think work should be a requirement.
    I think welfare should be used to subsidize those who are working, not pay people more to not work.
    Try all the sports socialism with new stadiums and corporate socialism and "tax-cuts-to-the-rich" socialism .
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Reagan got his and O'Neill got his--I don't call that working together.
    I call it selling out the country and the definite beginning of our $18 trillion TAD--as Cheney's words will always remind us .
    TAD ? As in Temporary Attached Duty ?
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Paul Ryan was on social programs from a young age all the way through college.
    Then he went to work for Jack Kemp and has never known anything but living off the public dole.
    You mean like elementary school and stuff?

    Try all the sports socialism with new stadiums and corporate socialism and "tax-cuts-to-the-rich" socialism .
    So, is the point here that we should not even inquire or concern ourselves with the effectiveness of so called the War on Poverty?
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Total Accumulated Debt--a phenomenon not known until Reagan's time--
    though to be fair and it's difficult--O'Neill deserves just as much of my vitriol .
    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    TAD ? As in Temporary Attached Duty ?
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You mean like elementary school and stuff?
    I mean grade school through college--but you knew that.
    So, is the point here that we should not even inquire or concern ourselves with the effectiveness of so called the War on Poverty?
    The point is you forget the conservative side of the ledger--as usual .
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    So what do you propose, to give up and watch the whole country collapse into 3rd world detroit?

    These are complex issues where one can disagree with how it's being handled. Opposition to the drug "war" is largely ideological; it's simply no one's business what i put into my body. It's inherently a failure, even if it did lead to less drug use.
    If you find yourself in a hole the first step is to stop digging. We need to gradually remove the incentives that created this mess. Stop penalizing people for working (where income drops and expenses like daycare rise), penalize people for being married (with loss of entitlements), etc. The incentives should be FOR working, and supporting ones self-the alternative is clearly ruin. Breaking up the family structure only hurts people-and therefore society. The govt should be nobodies husband.

    As is, entitlements are the single biggest expense in our nation, and they are only getting worse. Social security as it exists will last just long enough for the IGM boomers, if people conservatively invested that money they would be much better off, in fact it would pay for things like health savings accounts, etc.

    An intrusive one-size-fits-all top-down govt is not the best we can do.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    So now everyone has to marry just to escape poverty. Perhaps that's simply not a sacrifice they're willing to make, and for you to instruct others how to live...

    Cause full time minimum wage, which is about all high school can guarantee, is $15392/year. That's barely above the poverty level. If you ask me, reform is most needed for the working poor. People aren't going to put up with this forever, not while their corporate barons are exploiting them more and more - about 14 fold since 1960s (source: EPI)
    Marriage (or an analog by another name if you prefer), meaning a male and female adult in the home means two incomes, more flexibility, less negative impacts to children, and a better life. Save me the red herrings, I am speaking generally. A single parent household (over 70% in many demos), lack of even basic education (LA county has a 30% HS graduation rate) , and the inability to retain a job do not lead to success. Lets stop pretending and being PC-this is too important to ignore.

    Im not instructing anybody-Im recognizing the facts of life and stating this isn't an insurmountable goal.

    -People who can't speak english here are going to have an exceedingly difficult time succeeding. Theres a reason first generation immigrants who assimilate do so well here in the US, in fact even better than their children who grow up in the US.

    Most people who work and fall under the poverty level DONT WORK FULL TIME HOURS.

    Two income earners trump one.

    Education and HS graduation trump being a drop out.

    Working and being just above the poverty level is preferable to being under the poverty level, and getting just enough handouts to keep one on the democrat vote plantation.

    People need to obtain the skills and education needed to get others to pay them money-money that they will be worth. Smoking weed and playing xbox is no substitute.

    There is no better delivery vehicle from poverty than capitalism. Your marxist class struggle BS has demonstrably failed, time and time again-all over the world, and in various cultures, for the last century.

    Seeking out the behaviors that lead to success and emulating them is smart-and certainly preferable to defending mediocrity and bitterly lamenting others-success isnt down that road.

    If people aren't willing to acknowledge the circumstances REQUIRED to be successful, and instead expect a lifetime of handouts-they have already failed. We used to know this, in fact it was obvious. Only the Pax Americana could give us such entitled and ignorant assumptions. These facts-are stubborn-but true nevertheless.
    Last edited by US Conservative; 07-30-14 at 03:49 AM.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I seem to remember when President Reagan said, " The federal government declared war on poverty and poverty won."

    In layman terms, liberals/progressives won when it comes to keeping Americans living in poverty.
    It's the only platform the Democrat Party has, fighting poverty.
    They have also succeeded in importing new waves of dependent democrat voters. They define success as they number of people dependent on govt.


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