View Poll Results: What's the best indicator(s) of the success/failure of the "war on poverty"?

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  • How much money is allocated to social programs and welfare

    5 8.77%
  • Helping the most people possible live more comfortably regardless of their income or lack of it

    4 7.02%
  • By how many people are actually able to get out of poverty

    48 84.21%
  • Other

    9 15.79%
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    3 5.26%
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Thread: "War on Poverty"

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Liberals aren't interested in getting people out of poverty, that would only cost them votes. They want to keep the poor in the poor house and buy their votes with government freebies. Surely everyone realizes that.
    I think there is some truth to that regarding the Democrat politicians, but most, just ordinary liberal people I know would like to see people provide for themselves where possible. The disagreement between ideologies, I think, what "where possible" means. Conservatives tend to think that "where possible" means just that, if it's possible it's what should be expected. If it takes two jobs or selling your car, then that's what you do. Liberals, from my experience, tend to be in favor of subsidizing "comfortable" living with the hopes that that person will take advantage of that time, maybe get some sort of skill or job training so that they don't have to take two jobs or sell the car or whatever.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    I don't see any government programs targetting "breakout industries," or new businesses that have dynamic potential. The gov't gave trillions to the "too big to fail" banks and that has fattened the fat cats and squeezed the majority population. If it is a war to create poverty, like our war to create terror, then it is definitely working. I just read that 35% of USA households are in debt collection. The gov't should be funding renewables, Global Warming mitigation, start up vocational tech schools, start up home schooling programs leading to entrepreneurship opportunities instead of subsidizing Nukes, Big Old Energy, Big Old Banks, Big War Industries, Big Old Money in gerneral, or more correctly, the status quo of the money that controls our politicians. I vote Green. Perhaps a wasted vote. Perhaps the only realistic alternative. Yes, that poverty war is working good for the one tenth of the one percent pushing to squash labor and get the children back to work in the factories. Charlie Chaplin was blackballed for thinking this way.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I'm choosing # 4. We have to water the entire garden in this country. When we care for the garden - everything grows. We have no more jobs. We threw over the American dream for dividends. So what we wind up with is feeding a bunch of cattle that can't be milked and are no good for anything else. The Greeks referred to these people as nationalists. We did it, so bitching about the results is kind of - silly.
    Hmmm, you seem familiar to me. Oh, and total eye roll at the "watering the entire garden" nonsense.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'd say that currently, the measure is the quality of life for the working poor. i would like it to be the number of people moved out of poverty, but that requires better access to higher education and job training programs than we have now. and let's face it : we're approaching a post labor economy step by step, and there aren't enough new industries to pick up the slack, as factories did when farming became mechanized.
    And how about the quality of living for the non working poor? Do we concern ourselves with them?
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I think that Stossel said a few years ago that the government spends $40,000 a year per person on welfare and that if you just cut that person a check for $40,000 a year instead they would be out of poverty. Instead they spend $40,000 a year to give a person $20,000 a year, or whatever meagre amount actually gets to the welfare recipient.
    That's true. The other $20k is used to fund the administration of the program. That is messed up.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Hmmm, you seem familiar to me.
    Yeah; so. Who are you this time?

    Oh, and total eye roll at the "watering the entire garden" nonsense.
    Ga'head, roll your eyes. If 'ya can't argue credibly, then of course
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah; so. Who are you this time?
    I am who I've always been.


    Ga'head, roll your eyes. If 'ya can't argue credibly, then of course
    As platitudes go, it's not even a good one of those. Who, exactly, is controlling the water hose? From what you're saying, that's who you should want to be.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Liberals aren't interested in getting people out of poverty, that would only cost them votes. They want to keep the poor in the poor house and buy their votes with government freebies. Surely everyone realizes that.
    Blast. I thought we were more subtle than that.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Blast. I thought we were more subtle than that.
    It was the "Honk if you've kept someone in poverty for the good of the party" bumper stickers you all have.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    Surely you jest?
    The war on poverty has failed by any objective measure-there is nothing compassionate about robbing people of their initiative.

    For the same reasons that foreign aid does not help poor nations but rather facilitates corruption and preventing nations from developing the infrastructure and policies that actually DO deliver nations from poverty.

    There is no better vehicle for this than capitalism-and the only creatures in existence who have all their needs provided for are captive animals. Everyone else works for themselves-which is also where we happen to work hardest.

    In the US, the war on poverty is merely a system to force the poor to vote for dependency on the Democrat party. This is why we see such a desire to import poor immigrants, in addition to the forced contributions from union members to said party. The democrat party can't exist without these people dependant on them-and they know it.
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