View Poll Results: What's the best indicator(s) of the success/failure of the "war on poverty"?

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  • How much money is allocated to social programs and welfare

    5 8.77%
  • Helping the most people possible live more comfortably regardless of their income or lack of it

    4 7.02%
  • By how many people are actually able to get out of poverty

    48 84.21%
  • Other

    9 15.79%
  • Death Star

    3 5.26%
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Liberals aren't interested in getting people out of poverty, that would only cost them votes. They want to keep the poor in the poor house and buy their votes with government freebies. Surely everyone realizes that.
    Indeed, to those on the that side of the political spectrum, the success of the “War on Poverty” is surely measured by how many votes it buys for their side from those who have been trapped into endless dependence on government handouts.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    i'd say that currently, the measure is the quality of life for the working poor. i would like it to be the number of people moved out of poverty, but that requires better access to higher education and job training programs than we have now. and let's face it : we're approaching a post labor economy step by step, and there aren't enough new industries to pick up the slack, as factories did when farming became mechanized.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The only measure of success is in how many people can improve their own lives, and rise above poverty. If you are merely being funded, then you haven't fixed anything- just thrown money at it. The basic and underlying problem is still there.
    I think that Stossel said a few years ago that the government spends $40,000 a year per person on welfare and that if you just cut that person a check for $40,000 a year instead they would be out of poverty. Instead they spend $40,000 a year to give a person $20,000 a year, or whatever meagre amount actually gets to the welfare recipient.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I think that Stossel said a few years ago that the government spends $40,000 a year per person on welfare and that if you just cut that person a check for $40,000 a year instead they would be out of poverty. Instead they spend $40,000 a year to give a person $20,000 a year, or whatever meagre amount actually gets to the welfare recipient.
    That wouldn't surprise me, but the actual problem still hasn't been solved, which is the one of WHY so many people stay in poverty. With the opportunities for education and entrepreneurship in this country, I'd think we'd have a better track record than we do. We just keep throwing money at it, rather than addressing the root cause(s).
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That wouldn't surprise me, but the actual problem still hasn't been solved, which is the one of WHY so many people stay in poverty. With the opportunities for education and entrepreneurship in this country, I'd think we'd have a better track record than we do. We just keep throwing money at it, rather than addressing the root cause(s).
    I think that in many cases the root cause is lack of understanding due to various factors including education or intelligence and more than anything a combination of the two. We have 315 million people and if you look at IQ statistics half of the population has an IQ under 99 or lower. That is perhaps 150 million people. Take a portion of that that have IQ and little education in the 93 and under range and it could be around 30-50 million people. No amount of anything will get these people into entrepreneurship programs and it is unrealistic (not you, the P.C. people and politicians) to insist that it is a doable thing. Same thing in education, as you are probably well aware of. We can NOT teach all kids. Some just won't be able to pass tests, etc. Just a fact of life that gets the administration or other teachers on your back if you even dare to mention it as a possibility.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That wouldn't surprise me, but the actual problem still hasn't been solved, which is the one of WHY so many people stay in poverty. With the opportunities for education and entrepreneurship in this country, I'd think we'd have a better track record than we do. We just keep throwing money at it, rather than addressing the root cause(s).
    Welcome to Black America. To me, that's really what the War on Poverty entails now anyways.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Liberals aren't interested in getting people out of poverty, that would only cost them votes. They want to keep the poor in the poor house and buy their votes with government freebies. Surely everyone realizes that.
    Not only do the poor vote "correctly" but they support candidates that increase government spending and power. All "wars" have their supporters inside govenrment and entire indistries that depend on the resulting government spending. Low wage workers, and those that employ them, now enjoy the moronic "safety net" spending that supplements those wages - why pay a "living wage" if the government will do so (instead?) using other people's money?
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    The war on poverty should be about making sure educational opportunities are opened for everyone including early childhood education. It 'a sad when kids start school in kindergarten already far behind their peers and a very high bar has been set. Statics show us they never really catch up in the long run. We need to get them young in order to maximize their literacy and language skills. Also, we need to offer more job training opportunities for those who lose their jobs in fields that are displaced for whatever reason. We also shouldn't allow wealthy corporations to shift their profit margins on to the tax payer for a full days labor. A standard should be set so certain corps don't abuse the system. Lastly, all students capable and wanting to pursue a secondary education should not have affordability keep them from reaching their full potential.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I voted Death Star since Death Star-Tan is cute.

    I do not think you can end poverty, nor should that even be a particular goal. I think the idea behind safety nets is to ensure a basic level of substance living to those who need it. I further think government programs that help people get off the safety net so they can get themselves out of poverty are good(in general and theory, some programs through poor design or implementation may be bad programs themselves). How do you measure the success? Not sure there is a good answer to that.
    I think the goal of getting people off poverty is a good one and one that's worth pursuing. Of course, I'd like to see "welfare to work" programs. Also, for those who are legitimately able, I think work should be a requirement. I think welfare should be used to subsidize those who are working, not pay people more to not work.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    If your goal is to substantially reduce or end poverty than the only logical conclusion is that you'd have to actually get people out of poverty. Throwing money at the problem or making the impoverished comfortable are counterproductive at best to the goal.
    Your post reminded me of this quote from Ben Franklin;


    “I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
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