View Poll Results: What's the best indicator(s) of the success/failure of the "war on poverty"?

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  • How much money is allocated to social programs and welfare

    5 8.77%
  • Helping the most people possible live more comfortably regardless of their income or lack of it

    4 7.02%
  • By how many people are actually able to get out of poverty

    48 84.21%
  • Other

    9 15.79%
  • Death Star

    3 5.26%
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which part because, judging by that Wiki article, Paul Ryan has never held a non-political job in his life. He's never been employed in the private sector. He's a lifetime public teat-sucker.
    Judging by your comment, you didn't read the Wiki article. Im not here to spoon feed you.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I was listening to some talk show the other day, Hannity I think and he had Paul Ryan as a guest. They were speaking about the war on poverty and talking about how its success is measured. I thought that would make an interesting poll. What would be the best indicators of success (or failure)? I'll make it multiple choice.


    Working on the poll, options will be;

    1) By money allocated for social programs, e.g. the more the better
    2) By helping the most people possible live more comfortably regardless of their income or lack of it (I may need to shorten this one).
    3) By how many people are actually able to get out of poverty
    4) Other
    The second biggest problem with our anti-poverty programs is as far as I can tell they are not focused on helping people reach their potential but rather they make life livable for not trying.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Judging by your comment, you didn't read the Wiki article. Im not here to spoon feed you.
    Ah, so you can't find a non-political job he's held either. Gotcha.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Ah, so you can't find a non-political job he's held either. Gotcha.
    I went so far as to mention them by name and post a link here. That required me reading 5 sentences before hand.
    There a plenty of things I dont like about Ryan, especially on immigration but he has indeed held jobs.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its not success when it leaves people unskilled and unwilling to take care of themselves, that isn't compassionate. And as far as the homeless its complicated but NOT because of lack of opportunity or programs. Short of FORCING them to do what the govt wants, that problem is going nowhere.
    Its not a complete success, but it is a success because it alleviated a lot of suffering and lost potential. Many of the beneficiaries are children, seniors and the disabled who do not necessarily have a responsibility or ability to be self sufficient.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I went so far as to mention them by name and post a link here. That required me reading 5 sentences before hand.
    There a plenty of things I dont like about Ryan, especially on immigration but he has indeed held jobs.
    I read the wiki article, the only jobs it lists that he's had is flipping burgers at McDonalds and driving the Weinermobile. Where is any single serious, full-time adult job that he has had that hasn't been in politics? I'm going by your source here!
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I read the wiki article, the only jobs it lists that he's had is flipping burgers at McDonalds and driving the Weinermobile. Where is any single serious, full-time adult job that he has had that hasn't been in politics? I'm going by your source here!
    More accurately you didn't read the source. He worked at his families construction company.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Its not a complete success, but it is a success because it alleviated a lot of suffering and lost potential. Many of the beneficiaries are children, seniors and the disabled who do not necessarily have a responsibility or ability to be self sufficient.
    How on earth do handouts that do not improve outcomes alleviate "lost potential"? Is welfare now supposed to be palliative? Minors and the elderly have always been susceptible, and they have had options-but lets not hide behind the convenient face here-we have record numbers of able bodied adults not working and receiving welfare-and not contributing.

    There is no measure by which welfare improves outcomes, it makes people into helpless voting machines.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    How on earth do handouts that do not improve outcomes alleviate "lost potential"? Is welfare now supposed to be palliative? Minors and the elderly have always been susceptible, and they have had options-but lets not hide behind the convenient face here-we have record numbers of able bodied adults not working and receiving welfare-and not contributing.

    There is no measure by which welfare improves outcomes, it makes people into helpless voting machines.
    A child that is malnourished will not develop properly and will be disadvantaged for life due to lack of education, brain damage and other health issues. Feeding that child will save him/her form that fate.

    A child who has to work to support her/his family will miss school and be disadvantaged for life.

    Yes, government should provide palliative funding and/or care to the disabled (who can't work) and the elderly.

    What percent of able-bodied welfare and other government benefit receivers refuse to work?

    How long will there benefits last? Do they last for a lifetime?

    How many able-bodied unemployed adults are there and how many job openings are there?

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    A child that is malnourished will not develop properly and will be disadvantaged for life due to lack of education, brain damage and other health issues. Feeding that child will save him/her form that fate.

    A child who has to work to support her/his family will miss school and be disadvantaged for life.

    Yes, government should provide palliative funding and/or care to the disabled (who can't work) and the elderly.

    What percent of able-bodied welfare and other government benefit receivers refuse to work?

    How long will there benefits last? Do they last for a lifetime?

    How many able-bodied unemployed adults are there and how many job openings are there?
    Very nice but this is the US-not ethiopia. Our poor eat more protein in their diet than the wealthy. In fact they are over an inch taller than the ww2 generation (who was much much poorer) and also tend to be obese. Our poor are fat. Do me a favor next time and actually learn the facts instead of trying to conjure up red herrings.

    Child labor is illegal in the US. Another strawman not reflecting reality.

    Most of the poor are not disabled or elderly-there are over 100 million ADULTS not working in the US. We have a population around 350 million. Think about that-6 years of democrat policies and we are in the ****ter. Theres a reason more people would vote for Romney than Obama these days. We saw what hope and change was all about.

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