View Poll Results: What's the best indicator(s) of the success/failure of the "war on poverty"?

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  • How much money is allocated to social programs and welfare

    5 8.77%
  • Helping the most people possible live more comfortably regardless of their income or lack of it

    4 7.02%
  • By how many people are actually able to get out of poverty

    48 84.21%
  • Other

    9 15.79%
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Not that long ago a very poor person might lack sufficient food for adequate nutrition, might die from lack of medical care, might live in a dangerous tenement, tent or shack without heat and insulation and children had to miss school and go to work. Now, even the poorest can obtain a fairly place to live, obtain sufficient food, get medical care and children don't miss school due to a need to work to support their family. That is success.

    The homeless are still in a terrible situation, but that is largely a failure to adequately address their mental health and/or substance abuse problems, not because there aren't resources for them. The problem for the homeless is that they mentally and practically lack the ability to obtain what they need to improve their situation.
    Its not success when it leaves people unskilled and unwilling to take care of themselves, that isn't compassionate. And as far as the homeless its complicated but NOT because of lack of opportunity or programs. Short of FORCING them to do what the govt wants, that problem is going nowhere.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    War on poverty?


    Sounds like a justification for massive government spending...just throw money at the problem and hope it goes away.

    News flash...it does not work.

    Unless unsustainable, gigantic government debt and tens of millions of people sitting on their rumps getting welfare checks from the government is one's idea of the system working.
    Indeed, its about forcible redistribution of wealth and a dependent voter base for a particular political party. Its like eliminating pain in the world by making everyone a heroin addict.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Dammit I'm on my iPad and screwed up. I meant to choose the number of people answer and I fat fingered answer number one about the money!

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That's a feeling that seems to be prevalent in the US right now for indigenous reasons and because the massive improvement in the circumstances of the many has meant a relative reduction in the status and wealth of the US and the portion of its populous that competes most directly with the emerging.
    If you're saying the middle class is shrinking as a result of outsourcing and paying more for gov't spending, then I'd agree.


    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its actually a war on self sufficiency and for wealth redistribution.
    Your one dimensional political ideology never will allow you to see that a small percentage has the most control over wealth than the rest. And they haven't done anything all that wrong, except let their desire to grow the population for the sake of more wealth, blind them to the eventual outcome.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    If you're saying the middle class is shrinking as a result of outsourcing and paying more for gov't spending, then I'd agree.




    Your one dimensional political ideology never will allow you to see that a small percentage has the most control over wealth than the rest. And they haven't done anything all that wrong, except let their desire to grow the population for the sake of more wealth, blind them to the eventual outcome.
    Your myths about the wealthy dont change the fact that the war on poverty has demonstrably failed-income, quality of life, etc has continued to improve for the poor, but the numbers of poor and the poverty RATE have not changed in decades. The war on poverty has failed-and there are no improved outcomes as a result. Lets stop supporting failure, with silly rhetoric.

    Decline in welfare benefits highlights decreased support in government for War on Poverty initiatives 19622006 (in 2006 dollars).[6]

    War on Poverty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Poverty was falling at 1% a year on its own until the "wae on poverty" and since its held steady. Its a sham.


    30 Million in Poverty Aren't as Poor as You Think, Says Heritage Foundation - Derek Thompson - The Atlantic
    Criticisms of welfare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Your myths about the wealthy dont change the fact that the war on poverty has demonstrably failed-income, quality of life, etc has continued to improve for the poor, but the numbers of poor and the poverty RATE have not changed in decades. The war on poverty has failed-and there are no improved outcomes as a result. Lets stop supporting failure, with silly rhetoric.


    Poverty was falling at 1% a year on its own until the "wae on poverty" and since its held steady. Its a sham.


    30 Million in Poverty Aren't as Poor as You Think, Says Heritage Foundation - Derek Thompson - The Atlantic
    Criticisms of welfare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    You're so blinded by your own ideological rhetoric that you failed to see how you're framing the situation improperly, and I didn't deny any of your stats.

    There is no particular "War on Poverty", and like Cephus stated it's a Media coined phrase or problem. There's a problem with a small percentage of the ultra wealthy and political leadership trying to continually grow the economy out of it's problems, which isn't a sustainable path anymore. A new model for social prosperity needs to be designed and adopted that doesn't cause Wars and stresses on our environment.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You're so blinded by your own ideological rhetoric that you failed to see how you're framing the situation improperly, and I didn't deny any of your stats.

    There is no particular "War on Poverty", and like Cephus stated it's a Media coined phrase or problem. There's a problem with a small percentage of the ultra wealthy and political leadership trying to continually grow the economy out of it's problems, which isn't a sustainable path anymore. A new model for social prosperity needs to be designed and adopted that doesn't cause Wars and stresses on our environment.
    There is indeed a war on poverty-the laws put in place by the democrat party to purchase votes are still on the books, and have failed to acheive its stated goals. Forcing those of us who actually work to subsidize those who dont improves neither the situation for those poor, nor does it do anything but facilitate resentment by those of us who actually made responsible decisions and actually get up each day to work. The left are a bunch of poverty pimps, keeping the poor on the liberal vote plantation. There is no excuse for the outcomes of this failed war-which is actually worse than the war on drugs.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You're so blinded by your own ideological rhetoric that you failed to see how you're framing the situation improperly, and I didn't deny any of your stats.

    There is no particular "War on Poverty", and like Cephus stated it's a Media coined phrase or problem. There's a problem with a small percentage of the ultra wealthy and political leadership trying to continually grow the economy out of it's problems, which isn't a sustainable path anymore. A new model for social prosperity needs to be designed and adopted that doesn't cause Wars and stresses on our environment.
    Growing the economy isn't sustainable? If I'm reading that right, that's a baffling statement.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    (1) If you're saying the middle class is shrinking as a result of outsourcing and paying more for gov't spending, then I'd agree.

    (2) Your one dimensional political ideology never will allow you to see that a small percentage has the most control over wealth than the rest. And they haven't done anything all that wrong, except let their desire to grow the population for the sake of more wealth, blind them to the eventual outcome.

    (1) It is the people that chose the cheap t-shirts over the expensive ones made inthe USA or the foreign car for price or price, as the case may be.

    (2) Actually, I have thought about the different issues involving the Gini coefficient, redistribution, global allocation processes and all that a number of times and relatively thoroughly. And it might be that the people lacking the formal education to understand what happened get angry, when the development has been globally so positive. It is a pity, though, that the USA has been so far in the lead and the main carrier of the load, while their competitors gained relatively from the closing wealth gap.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    There is indeed a war on poverty-the laws put in place by the democrat party to purchase votes are still on the books, and have failed to acheive its stated goals. Forcing those of us who actually work to subsidize those who dont improves neither the situation for those poor, nor does it do anything but facilitate resentment by those of us who actually made responsible decisions and actually get up each day to work. The left are a bunch of poverty pimps, keeping the poor on the liberal vote plantation. There is no excuse for the outcomes of this failed war-which is actually worse than the war on drugs.

    If the poor are so lazy, then why are so many Chinese and Indians making products? They're growing out of poverty.


    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Growing the economy isn't sustainable? If I'm reading that right, that's a baffling statement.

    The FED can't pump money into the stock market indefinitely and the gov't can't run the debt up to the stars. Something has got to give. We've become a service oriented country and don't have a large production force anymore, especially with technology taking more and more jobs.

    Also, humanity is growing the population and raising their standard of living beyond what the planet's environment can ultimately sustain. The southern border problem (masses of poor), European Austerity, Middle East, Russia, Asian threats are all about struggling for economic resources. Now we've got a cauldron of incurable diseases cropping up from intercontinental travel.
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