View Poll Results: What's the best indicator(s) of the success/failure of the "war on poverty"?

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  • How much money is allocated to social programs and welfare

    5 8.77%
  • Helping the most people possible live more comfortably regardless of their income or lack of it

    4 7.02%
  • By how many people are actually able to get out of poverty

    48 84.21%
  • Other

    9 15.79%
  • Death Star

    3 5.26%
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think there is some truth to that regarding the Democrat politicians, but most, just ordinary liberal people I know would like to see people provide for themselves where possible. The disagreement between ideologies, I think, what "where possible" means. Conservatives tend to think that "where possible" means just that, if it's possible it's what should be expected. If it takes two jobs or selling your car, then that's what you do. Liberals, from my experience, tend to be in favor of subsidizing "comfortable" living with the hopes that that person will take advantage of that time, maybe get some sort of skill or job training so that they don't have to take two jobs or sell the car or whatever.
    But they don't, that's the thing. If they did, they wouldn't keep voting to provide more and more government handouts. So long as the poor can get more money for food, shelter and big screen TVs, they'll never do anything for themselves because they don't have to. Liberals have been telling the poor that it's not their fault, society is to blame for their situation and if only there was more money to give to them, they wouldn't feel so bad. No, in almost all situations, the only person to blame is the individual who didn't take advantage of the benefits we already provide, to make something of themselves.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    War on poverty?


    Sounds like a justification for massive government spending...just throw money at the problem and hope it goes away.

    News flash...it does not work.

    Unless unsustainable, gigantic government debt and tens of millions of people sitting on their rumps getting welfare checks from the government is one's idea of the system working.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    This was supposed to be an adult conservation ....I think poorly of such childish remarks .
    Yeah, then maybe liberals ought to grow up and realize that the only way out of poverty is for the poor to become personally responsible for their lives. I know that's anathema to liberals, you don't like it that conservatives know exactly what you're doing.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    If only that did work. If people rise out of poverty they might be a tad grateful to their helpers. They might come to embrace socialism full stop. But the poor are kept in their place because there are very few in power who actually want to see this end. Why? Because they're bought off by their corporate buddies, who only want to exploit the bottom 99%.

    As this likely includes you, it's rather amazing you don't realize you're enabling your oppressors with this uber compassionate "let them starve" mantra. Guess what, *many* full time workers are poor and barely afford to get by.
    How do you exploit people who don't want to work? How does a corporation exploit someone who has no money to buy their products? Nobody is saying let them starve, we are saying that they have to be held accountable for their choices and their actions and society has to do more than just handing over a check every month. You will never better yourself if you aren't required to do so. So long as there are no strings attached, no requirements to stop getting that check, things will never change. Yes, many full time workers are poor and they suffer from a lot of the same problems that the unemployed poor do. They have made poor decisions and have shot themselves in the foot and may never dig their way out. They lack personal responsibility for their actions, a hallmark of conservatism.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The nice thing about this is that with everyone trying to do best for themselves we have done a huge job fighting poverty on a global scale.
    It's simply an incorrect way of phrasing a situation. Nobody is intentionally trying to make anyone else poor, as much as they're trying to make themselves rich. They'll just do it the expense of others and say, "that's the way the game is played." And though thru this system we've raised the quality of life for the global majority, we seem to be hitting a tipping point of going over the peak back down towards a struggle for the masses. And it's going to get messy.
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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Ummm..btw, the official poverty line for America (outside of Hawaii and Alaska) in 2014 is $11,670.

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/14poverty.cfm

    $7.25 times 2,000 hours a year equals $14,500.

    Want to fight poverty?

    Get a full time job at a McDonald's.

    Problem solved.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It's simply an incorrect way of phrasing a situation. Nobody is intentionally trying to make anyone else poor, as much as they're trying to make themselves rich. They'll just do it the expense of others and say, "that's the way the game is played." And though thru this system we've raised the quality of life for the global majority, we seem to be hitting a tipping point of going over the peak back down towards a struggle for the masses. And it's going to get messy.
    That's a feeling that seems to be prevalent in the US right now for indigenous reasons and because the massive improvement in the circumstances of the many has meant a relative reduction in the status and wealth of the US and the portion of its populous that competes most directly with the emerging.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    My point went zooming over your head my friend....here's the original statement;



    The entire statement is false, if not an outright lie. Surly only a complete fool would agree with it. You reply only voiced more unproven suppositions, again, with no facts.
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    Not really. Stealing from productive people and making others dependent on the government isn't how to eliminate poverty. Poverty was falling at a rate of 1% a year until the war on poverty started-and it was intended by LBJ to be a form of reparations to American blacks.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Scuttlebutt is Obama as a teenager to get money to buy Maui Waui, Obama had a part time job scooping ice cream. I think he got fired.

    As for Hillary's early career.
    Watergate-era Judiciary chief of staff:

    Hillary Clinton fired for lies, unethical behavior

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    Its almost like the left is trying to diminish their argument.

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    Re: "War on Poverty"

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I don't see a "War on Poverty", I see a "War for Money".
    Its actually a war on self sufficiency and for wealth redistribution.

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