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There's something of controversy going on here. A local retailer is refusing to sell alcohol to legal adults if a minor is present with them. Doesn't matter how old or young the minor is, and it doesn't matter if the minor is the adult's own kid.
The retailer is not breaking any laws by doing this, so that's not the issue... but should they? How would you react if a retailer refused to sell you alcohol just because you had your kid with you?
Please note that in this state it is perfectly legal for parents to serve their own minor children alcohol.
I promis you I'm not not buying booze or guns for my 10 y/o lolI agree, for most purchases. But.... due to the potential for harm from irresponsible drinking, any alcohol vendor should be permitted to refuse any sale for any reason- or simply for "no stated reason".
I believe that gun store owners have this same privelage. Even if the purchaser is legally able to buy they weapon and has the cash, the owner of the store can refuse the sale simply because he has a bad feeling about something.
Driving?- probably not, unless you are in say, an extreme demolition derby and the child is not old enough to make a risk evaluation on their own.
In the end, due to the potential for harm to third parties if some products are mis used, any vendor selling weapons, alcohol, or in Colorado, weed should be able to refuse any sale they dont feel comfortable with. They should not even need to give a reason.
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I know Texas pretty well actually. I have never heard of a "moist" county but I believe it. There are laws enforced by the TABC (Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission) and then there are local laws.
I know Texas pretty well actually. I have never heard of a "moist" county but I believe it. There are laws enforced by the TABC (Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission) and then there are local laws.
Actually that's mostly in the minds of the fictional leftists you've constructed in your own head.
No. The question regarding ethics is valid. It is simply asking for your opinion on a narrow aspect of the overall scenario. We established in Post #1 one that the ability to refuse was legal and thus not an issue, not the question.But the question should not be: is what they are doing proper and/or ethical. If we believe in liberty; if we believe that under liberty each person is free to be who and what he/she is so long as no rights of others are violated; then we cannot dictate to another what must be proper or ethical for that person or what cannot be proper or ethical for that person. Personally I don't believe children are harmed in any way by seeing their parents buy beer or wine or consuming it in moderation. And I say that as a child of alcoholics whose childhood was made a living hell in part by booze.
But it is not for me to dictate to another person how he must see or understand alcoholic beverages or whether he should condone or accept such as the way society should be.
And my understanding of what liberty is extends to a person doing business on his own personal property as much as anywhere else.
No, it is not against the law. A handful of stores are doing this on their own.Is it against the law in your state to sell liquor in a store when a minor is present?
Maybe we should make "no booze = no $$$" cards like we do for gun buster signs.No, it is not against the law. A handful of stores are doing this on their own.
No, it is not against the law. A handful of stores are doing this on their own.
The police in this area are known for doing random sweeps trying to catch merchants selling to minors, so maybe that is it.We'll then, it's an odd go to market strategy, but maybe they were burned by adults buying booze for underagers and they just want to protect themselves.
The police in this area are known for doing random sweeps trying to catch merchants selling to minors, so maybe that is it.
Someone mentioned the name earlier, so I will say the store name. It is Walmart. Several stores in this geographic region are doing this. It was a local news station doing the story, and they didn't say if it was state-wide. Walmart corporate denied there is a company-wide policy to do this, but otherwise had no comment.
No. The question regarding ethics is valid. It is simply asking for your opinion on a narrow aspect of the overall scenario. We established in Post #1 one that the ability to refuse was legal and thus not an issue, not the question.
Yes, ethics are individual, that's the whole point. What's YOURS? Not hiding behind paper theory. Seriously, I don't understand why having an opinion needs to be so absurdly complex. :shrug:But the problem is that what is ethical for you, what is ethical for me, may not be ethical for the person selling the liquor. Ethics is simply too vague a term to use as a principle other than as it applies to each individual. So my point is, if the person selling the liquor considers it unethical or unacceptable if a minor is present, then our position should be that it is his decision to make. So long as nobody's rights are being violated, those of us who value the liberty to follow our own conscience must also allow all others that liberty or there is no liberty.
For every person here who thinks their business will be negatively affected, there's probably two others who think it's a great idea. "It'll protect the chiiiildrun".
Yes, ethics are individual, that's the whole point. What's YOURS? Not hiding behind paper theory. Seriously, I don't understand why having an opinion needs to be so absurdly complex. :shrug:
I guess they are actually called semi-wet or semi-dry. Some allow by the drink but only with membership to a private "club," some allow by the drink but not by the bottle, I'm unaware of any that allowed by the bottle but not by the drink, some are just plain wet and allow all.
There's something of controversy going on here. A local retailer is refusing to sell alcohol to legal adults if a minor is present with them. Doesn't matter how old or young the minor is, and it doesn't matter if the minor is the adult's own kid.
The retailer is not breaking any laws by doing this, so that's not the issue... but should they? How would you react if a retailer refused to sell you alcohol just because you had your kid with you?
Please note that in this state it is perfectly legal for parents to serve their own minor children alcohol.
No doubt it is a liability thing. If someone buys alcohol, then gives it to a minor, then some lawyer somewhere has figured out a way to stick the retailer with the liability for whatever that minor might do while under the influence. That's how absurd our liability laws have become.
BTW, I just returned from a trip to Idaho, where I noticed signs in some of the businesses: "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." I don't see those in California, Oregon, Washington, or Nevada. It must be part of a state law.