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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Yes, but Texas like Idaho, doesn't allow selling hard liquor in regular stores, unless that's changed since I left. Some cities/counties you can't buy at all, there are no liquor stores. Some you can't buy wine with dinner with or without children... To suggest Texas is superior in it's liquor laws is to be uninformed (unless there was a huge change since 1983 when I left or 1997 when I last visited).
    Texas is strange. If a minor is supervised by their parents it is legal for them to drink. But you can't buy liquor on Sunday, you can't buy any alcohol after midnight on Monday-Thursday, after 1:00 on Saturday, or before noon. Bars have to stop serving at two am. Liquor stores have to close at nine pm. drinking on the property where it is prohibited is a felony. You can't consume alcohol within 1000 feet of a school. Than you have dry counties that have restaurants that can serve sdo long as you sign a piece of paper joining their club. They can serve all night long.

    The liquor laws here are absolutely stupid.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    No, I don't think a retailer should refuse to sell alcohol to an adult if a minor is present. Or when a legal adult is present but doesn't have ID.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    That is the drinking age in Belgium and it is fine there, it was nice as a 16 year old to order beer in a restaurant. They even have bars in the schools (albeit after classes).
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I'm guessing here, but I wonder if it's because they fear that selling to an adult with a minor present will end up the adult being the straw purchaser for the minor. Of course the failure of that thought is that when minors use straw purchasers, they don't enter the store with him, they stay outside in the car or even in the next parking lot over. Only "honest" people would actually have a minor with them.
    That was my first thought. Perhaps the store owner had prior bad experience and is extra careful?
    Not sure if I can judge if he is right or wrong, based on the information given.

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Only if the retailer has the honest feeling that the minor will be given the alcohol as soon as they depart from the store (in other words adults buying alcohol for minors).

    This is of course not when they are parent/their own teenager, or when it is a parent with an infant. In those cases it should not be refused.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    That's not really the question, though. "Should be allowed" is one thing, "should they?" is another. IOW: just because you can doesn't mean you should. They are within their legal rights to do so, and was pointed out in the first post. Is what they are doing proper and/or ethical?
    But the question should not be: is what they are doing proper and/or ethical. If we believe in liberty; if we believe that under liberty each person is free to be who and what he/she is so long as no rights of others are violated; then we cannot dictate to another what must be proper or ethical for that person or what cannot be proper or ethical for that person. Personally I don't believe children are harmed in any way by seeing their parents buy beer or wine or consuming it in moderation. And I say that as a child of alcoholics whose childhood was made a living hell in part by booze.

    But it is not for me to dictate to another person how he must see or understand alcoholic beverages or whether he should condone or accept such as the way society should be.

    And my understanding of what liberty is extends to a person doing business on his own personal property as much as anywhere else.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    If the child was ugly, then I could understand. Everyone knows that alcohol causes children and this store is just helping the gene pool.

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    I think a retailer should bypass the adult and the child and sell directly to the liver.

    Every potential patron must provide a liver test result from an annual test where they give you a liver health number (1-100).

    Score over 50 and you can buy all the booze you want. Between 30-49, only a certain amount of booze per day. Under 30, you cannot buy booze at all (applies to bars as well).


    Of course, this is total bullsh!t...okay, I'm bored.

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    While the store owner should have the right to conduct their business as they see fit, I do not see the issue with kids being around alcohol. Leaving the kid on the sidewalk, down the street at the Starbucks, or in a car seems far more dangerous.

    Va has state owned ABC stores, and while I don't recall seeing kids in the stores, I don't recall seeing signs prohibiting it either. OTOH, there are kids in abundance in the wine aisles at Costco and the local grocery store, and mommy is buying. I doubt if this situation creates many alcoholic kids.

    Regarding kids in bars. My kids often go with me to restaurants, and I do have a drink or wine. Both my kids drink responsibly as adults.

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But the question should not be: is what they are doing proper and/or ethical. If we believe in liberty; if we believe that under liberty each person is free to be who and what he/she is so long as no rights of others are violated; then we cannot dictate to another what must be proper or ethical for that person or what cannot be proper or ethical for that person. Personally I don't believe children are harmed in any way by seeing their parents buy beer or wine or consuming it in moderation. And I say that as a child of alcoholics whose childhood was made a living hell in part by booze.

    But it is not for me to dictate to another person how he must see or understand alcoholic beverages or whether he should condone or accept such as the way society should be.

    And my understanding of what liberty is extends to a person doing business on his own personal property as much as anywhere else.
    But there are also other rules and laws the democratically elected officials of the US have decided upon. One of these laws is the law that it is illegal for people under the age of 21 to drink. Personally I think that should be brought down to 18 years of age but still, all liberty is framed by legal paragraphs. Those legal limitations are almost always to protect vulnerable people or to protect the public. They are not meant to deny liberty but to strengthen liberty IMO.
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