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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    There a difference between a person buying for a friend (straw purchase), which is probably the original intent, and a person buying for them self with their 12 yr old tagging along.
    There should be, but I can understand why the best policy is to say this store is for those 21>, rather than putting the burden on the shop owner. We don't have a problem with 21> only in bars, so to me it's the same concept. Only difference being as mentioned above, the issue that purchasing a bottle or two takes 5 minutes and you might have your kids shopping with you vs a bar where you might be quite a while and would not have your kids with you anyway.

    That said, don't for one minute believe that a 12yo can't be acquiring a straw purchaser. A classmate of mine had an alcoholic mother to the point they'd find her passed out behind the Piggly Wiggly on a regular basis. Her daughter, my friend, was well on her way to being an alcoholic by age 10. I wouldn't be the teatotaler I am without their influence.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i would have to question the priorities of a parent who would place their kids at potential risk only to purchase a non-necessity such as liquor
    Letting them go to school is a risk, letting them go to the park is a risk, letting them go to try on clothes at the store without you hovering is a risk. Parenting is a balancing act and the children's safety first is not good for the child (seriously we all know parents that just can't let their children grow up or have any responsibility or chance of failure), nor wise for the parents, who even with children have a right to some of the own non-necessities.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    There's something of controversy going on here. A local retailer is refusing to sell alcohol to legal adults if a minor is present with them. Doesn't matter how old or young the minor is, and it doesn't matter if the minor is the adult's own kid.

    The retailer is not breaking any laws by doing this, so that's not the issue... but should they? How would you react if a retailer refused to sell you alcohol just because you had your kid with you?

    Please note that in this state it is perfectly legal for parents to serve their own minor children alcohol.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Letting them go to school is a risk, letting them go to the park is a risk, letting them go to try on clothes at the store without you hovering is a risk. Parenting is a balancing act and the children's safety first is not good for the child (seriously we all know parents that just can't let their children grow up or have any responsibility or chance of failure), nor wise for the parents, who even with children have a right to some of the own non-necessities.
    yes, there is that risk-reward equation or balancing act, to use your term
    and when the reward is liquor while the risk is potential harm to your kids, i have to question the priorities of parents who would subject their kids to that risk
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    There's something of controversy going on here. A local retailer is refusing to sell alcohol to legal adults if a minor is present with them. Doesn't matter how old or young the minor is, and it doesn't matter if the minor is the adult's own kid.

    The retailer is not breaking any laws by doing this, so that's not the issue... but should they? How would you react if a retailer refused to sell you alcohol just because you had your kid with you?

    Please note that in this state it is perfectly legal for parents to serve their own minor children alcohol.
    This does not go against a protected class (race, gender, religion) so it's up to the vendor

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes, there is that risk-reward equation or balancing act, to use your term
    and when the reward is liquor while the risk is potential harm to your kids, i have to question the priorities of parents who would subject their kids to that risk
    Ah, but you see, you limit yourself with arithmetic when life is more usuallly like advanced algebra. For example, being a teatotaller, clearly the booze isn't even for the buyer. Usually in my case it was to assure my hubby's boss had his favorite booze available when he and his wife came to dinner and such. So the question becomes, instead of children safety > drinking booze, Is children's safety, which is relatively okay being watched by a clerk at the local TCBY or even being left in a properly venting auto for five minutes a greater consideration than Dad keeping his boss happy and his job intact?
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    There's something of controversy going on here. A local retailer is refusing to sell alcohol to legal adults if a minor is present with them. Doesn't matter how old or young the minor is, and it doesn't matter if the minor is the adult's own kid.

    The retailer is not breaking any laws by doing this, so that's not the issue... but should they? How would you react if a retailer refused to sell you alcohol just because you had your kid with you?

    Please note that in this state it is perfectly legal for parents to serve their own minor children alcohol.
    He should be allowed too. It's not a policy I would choose but I don't think it's that wrong.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Ah, but you see, you limit yourself with arithmetic when life is more usuallly like advanced algebra. For example, being a teatotaller, clearly the booze isn't even for the buyer. Usually in my case it was to assure my hubby's boss had his favorite booze available when he and his wife came to dinner and such. So the question becomes, instead of children safety > drinking booze, Is children's safety, which is relatively okay being watched by a clerk at the local TCBY or even being left in a properly venting auto for five minutes a greater consideration than Dad keeping his boss happy and his job intact?
    actually, the math used was differential equations by parts, and the outcome remains that the parent prioritized the acquisition of liquor ahead of the safety of the children
    appears i may need to produce a graph to make my point; do you prefer linear or logarithmic?
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    actually, the math used was differential equations by parts, and the outcome remains that the parent prioritized the acquisition of liquor ahead of the safety of the children
    appears i may need to produce a graph to make my point; do you prefer linear or logarithmic?
    I see, hmm, then I wonder why you keep reducing this down to simple arithmetic. Now it makes even less sense that you'd rely on that level of analytics.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I see, hmm, then I wonder why you keep reducing this down to simple arithmetic. Now it makes even less sense that you'd rely on that level of analytics.
    no matter the form of math used, the answer remains the same
    one of the properties of mathematics i have long appreciated
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