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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    As long as the owner's policy does not harm society or violate equal protection.
    The police are responsible for harm to society, not a shop owner. If the shop owner was concerned, he should retain the information of the ID (not the ID itself), and any other info such as a license of a car driven by said purchaser, and not attempt to make lawful decisions outside of his purview.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Your boss would not want such expenses and vigilantism as part of your job. It would cost him way too much and it would occupy way too much of your time at work. The easier, and obvious, solution is not to sell to obvious straw purchases.
    Sorry, but the same boss wouldn't want me to be turning away parents buying booze while shopping with their kids. In this case being discussed it appears that the person refusing is the boss, so I am referencing that perspective, and I'd insist all my employees do the same.

    Straw buyers turned away from one store simply go to another. If I really want it stopped, and I would, then what I suggest is the only legal and real solution. Let the police handle that, it's not my responsibility nor my right to interfere beyond checking the ID of the purchaser.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    The police are responsible for harm to society, not a shop owner. If the shop owner was concerned, he should retain the information of the ID (not the ID itself), and any other info such as a license of a car driven by said purchaser, and not attempt to make lawful decisions outside of his purview.
    I was referring to institutionalized racism, sexism and homophobia. No individual has a right to harm society by engaging in aggressive institutionalized economic warfare against a race or gender.

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Sorry, but the same boss wouldn't want me to be turning away parents buying booze while shopping with their kids.
    ABC doesn't do that. They only deny purchase to obvious straw purchases; that's why the rule exists.

    it's not my responsibility nor my right to interfere beyond checking the ID of the purchaser.
    Perhaps so, in your fantasy land. But that's not reality.

    And this begs the question: what was all that crap you proposed about reporting them to the police?
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    There's something of controversy going on here. A local retailer is refusing to sell alcohol to legal adults if a minor is present with them. Doesn't matter how old or young the minor is, and it doesn't matter if the minor is the adult's own kid.

    The retailer is not breaking any laws by doing this, so that's not the issue... but should they? How would you react if a retailer refused to sell you alcohol just because you had your kid with you?

    Please note that in this state it is perfectly legal for parents to serve their own minor children alcohol.
    I vote yes.

    A retailer should be able to make this decision. It's not discrimination based on sex, skin color, religion, or anything like that.

    Then, the consumers should be able to find another place to do business if they really hate that concept that much.

    People who chose to make bad business decisions should be free to do so.

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    As long as the owner's policy does not harm society or violate equal protection.
    "Equal protection" should apply to government only and should never apply to the private citizen as to how he/she will use his/her own property. Agreed that one's rights to use his/her own property at will ends with another person's unalienable rights. We cannot have liberty, however, and force some people to serve others. And so long as what we do requires no contribution or participation by any other, it should be our right to do it regardless of how unpopular it might be.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I was referring to institutionalized racism, sexism and homophobia. No individual has a right to harm society by engaging in aggressive institutionalized economic warfare against a race or gender.
    Well I don't where or why you're bringing racism, sexism, or homophobia into this discussion, I thought it was about selling/buying alcohol in front of minors. If you're not on topic when you're commenting, it's no wonder.... nevermind.

    Anyway, you'll go back and note that my response ignored you insert of "equal protection," as it didn't seem pertinent to this OP.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Total Wine here in Nevada has a sign that says no one under 21 permitted inside the store. Not sure if that has more to do with the fact they serve samples in the store from various vendors though.

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I vote yes.

    A retailer should be able to make this decision. It's not discrimination based on sex, skin color, religion, or anything like that.

    Then, the consumers should be able to find another place to do business if they really hate that concept that much.

    People who chose to make bad business decisions should be free to do so.
    If you're asking should ALL retailers of alcohol should do this, my answer would be no.
    If you're asking if I'd refuse the sale if it were my store, the answer would be no.
    I've bought plenty of beer and wine with my kids in tow.

    My response was based on whether or not one particular store owner should be able to make that call.

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Well I don't where or why you're bringing racism, sexism, or homophobia into this discussion,
    That was in response to another's stated position, which I felt needed qualification.

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