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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Only "honest" people would actually have a minor with them.
    Did you go to college?

    I wonder if it's because they fear that selling to an adult with a minor present will end up the adult being the straw purchaser for the minor
    That is the concern. In the case of a husband and wife with a child, it's not a problem. When it's a senior with a freshman (and the freshman is pointing out bottles and debating the purchase), no dice.

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    They should be able to, but I wouldn't. I see no reason. It's ridiculous to me.

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Did you go to college?



    That is the concern. In the case of a husband and wife with a child, it's not a problem. When it's a senior with a freshman, no dice.
    Of course I went to college. And at age 16 was in bars, and could have had as many drinks as I wanted (I'm a tea totaller so I didn't want), but back then the drinking age was 18 and no one at the bar figured a college student wouldn't be 18 or over. Never tried to buy in a store, because I don't drink.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    There's something of controversy going on here. A local retailer is refusing to sell alcohol to legal adults if a minor is present with them. Doesn't matter how old or young the minor is, and it doesn't matter if the minor is the adult's own kid.

    The retailer is not breaking any laws by doing this, so that's not the issue... but should they? How would you react if a retailer refused to sell you alcohol just because you had your kid with you?

    Please note that in this state it is perfectly legal for parents to serve their own minor children alcohol.
    Well; it's his choice. He sets a bad example for minors by owning a liquor store; or astore with liquor in it to begin with, but if he wants to live by a double standard there's nothing anybody can really do about it in my view.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    There's something of controversy going on here. A local retailer is refusing to sell alcohol to legal adults if a minor is present with them. Doesn't matter how old or young the minor is, and it doesn't matter if the minor is the adult's own kid.

    The retailer is not breaking any laws by doing this, so that's not the issue... but should they? How would you react if a retailer refused to sell you alcohol just because you had your kid with you?

    Please note that in this state it is perfectly legal for parents to serve their own minor children alcohol.
    I don't know what the legality of it all is and that could vary from state to state. But when it come to the principle of liberty and unalienable rights, I don't think any private business owner should be required to conduct business in a way that is morally or ethically wrong to him/her. If that means other folks get business he drives away, well that could be a consequence of his/her choices, but I believe if we believe in liberty, the choice should be with the property owner.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Of course I went to college. And at age 16 was in bars, and could have had as many drinks as I wanted (I'm a tea totaller so I didn't want), but back then the drinking age was 18 and no one at the bar figured a college student wouldn't be 18 or over. Never tried to buy in a store, because I don't drink.
    Well, I can assure you that college kids are often short sighted enough to walk into a liquor store with the underage member(s) of the party-to-be.

    When the minor has picked out the liquor, after debate about which one to get, and then cannot produce ID... would you sell to the over-21 friend that offers their ID? Could you do so in clear conscience that it is not being purchased for the minor to take part in?

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    There's something of controversy going on here. A local retailer is refusing to sell alcohol to legal adults if a minor is present with them. Doesn't matter how old or young the minor is, and it doesn't matter if the minor is the adult's own kid.

    The retailer is not breaking any laws by doing this, so that's not the issue... but should they? How would you react if a retailer refused to sell you alcohol just because you had your kid with you?

    Please note that in this state it is perfectly legal for parents to serve their own minor children alcohol.

    Should they be able to withhold the sell of alcohol, absolutely. I also believe a place of business should have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish for any reason if it does not create a life threatening situation.

    Do I agree with their decision in this instance? No I do not.

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I don't know what the legality of it all is and that could vary from state to state. But when it come to the principle of liberty and unalienable rights, I don't think any private business owner should be required to conduct business in a way that is morally or ethically wrong to him/her. If that means other folks get business he drives away, well that could be a consequence of his/her choices, but I believe if we believe in liberty, the choice should be with the property owner.
    As long as the owner's policy does not harm society or violate equal protection.

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Well, I can assure you that college kids are often short sighted enough to walk into a liquor store with the underage member(s) of the party-to-be.

    When the minor has picked out the liquor, after debate about which one to get, and then cannot produce ID... would you sell to the over-21 friend that offers their ID? Could you do so in clear conscience that it is not being purchased for the minor to take part in?
    Yes, the law says a 21 or older can buy alcohol. That is the end of my responsibility. What he/she does with it is his/her responsibility. Now if I was convinced that a straw purchase was happening, I'd be sure to get the license plate of a car if applicable, I'd have the name and address of the ID'er and I'd call the police and share my concerns and the information.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Now if I was convinced that a straw purchase was happening, I'd be sure to get the license plate of a car if applicable, I'd have the name and address of the ID'er and I'd call the police and share my concerns and the information.
    Your boss would not want such expenses and vigilantism as part of your job. It would cost him way too much and it would occupy way too much of your time at work. The easier, and obvious, solution is not to sell to obvious straw purchases.

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