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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    There's something of controversy going on here. A local retailer is refusing to sell alcohol to legal adults if a minor is present with them. Doesn't matter how old or young the minor is, and it doesn't matter if the minor is the adult's own kid.

    The retailer is not breaking any laws by doing this, so that's not the issue... but should they? How would you react if a retailer refused to sell you alcohol just because you had your kid with you?

    Please note that in this state it is perfectly legal for parents to serve their own minor children alcohol.
    An alcohol retailer can be held liable for damages if he sells booze to someone who is obviously grogged out already and they end up in an accident. If the seller has reason to believe that someone is making a straw purchase for a minor I suppose the same principle would apply. The straw purchaser as well as the seller could be held liable if the minor ends up drinking himself to death or getting in an alcohol related auto accident or something.

    I think the bottom line is that the seller has to exercise prudence in order to protect his own ass, especially in this era of ubiquitous surveillance cameras and a sue-happy public.

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Texas is strange. If a minor is supervised by their parents it is legal for them to drink. But you can't buy liquor on Sunday, you can't buy any alcohol after midnight on Monday-Thursday, after 1:00 on Saturday, or before noon. Bars have to stop serving at two am. Liquor stores have to close at nine pm. drinking on the property where it is prohibited is a felony. You can't consume alcohol within 1000 feet of a school. Than you have dry counties that have restaurants that can serve sdo long as you sign a piece of paper joining their club. They can serve all night long.

    The liquor laws here are absolutely stupid.
    You don't know Texas at all I see. Texas isn't unified in it's drinking laws. Some areas are dry, some are wet, and some are moist, unless something changed dramatically since I left. Dallas area was a hoot. Farmer's Branch totally dry, Addison had a leg that came very close to FB and other dry or moist cities in the Dallas Metro and Addison was fully wet, so you could walk three blocks and legally buy booze, but you couldn't legally carry it home.

    Anyway, maybe the wet/dry/moist is changed though I have never heard that it was.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    No, he shouldn't be allowed to withhold legal goods purchased legally that he normally sells to others.
    I agree, for most purchases. But.... due to the potential for harm from irresponsible drinking, any alcohol vendor should be permitted to refuse any sale for any reason- or simply for "no stated reason".

    I believe that gun store owners have this same privelage. Even if the purchaser is legally able to buy they weapon and has the cash, the owner of the store can refuse the sale simply because he has a bad feeling about something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Should we be barred from driving if a child is present? If a movie contains swearing, should the movie be stopped if a child is present? Ridiculous.
    Driving?- probably not, unless you are in say, an extreme demolition derby and the child is not old enough to make a risk evaluation on their own.

    In the end, due to the potential for harm to third parties if some products are mis used, any vendor selling weapons, alcohol, or in Colorado, weed should be able to refuse any sale they dont feel comfortable with. They should not even need to give a reason.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by nic11 View Post
    It IS ridiculous. Walmart has started doing this too.

    I can't even buy wine with my 22 y/o son with me, if he doesn't have ID with him. There is no law against it in AZ, so it must be a liability thing.
    No doubt it is a liability thing. If someone buys alcohol, then gives it to a minor, then some lawyer somewhere has figured out a way to stick the retailer with the liability for whatever that minor might do while under the influence. That's how absurd our liability laws have become.

    BTW, I just returned from a trip to Idaho, where I noticed signs in some of the businesses: "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." I don't see those in California, Oregon, Washington, or Nevada. It must be part of a state law.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    But there are also other rules and laws the democratically elected officials of the US have decided upon. One of these laws is the law that it is illegal for people under the age of 21 to drink. Personally I think that should be brought down to 18 years of age but still, all liberty is framed by legal paragraphs. Those legal limitations are almost always to protect vulnerable people or to protect the public. They are not meant to deny liberty but to strengthen liberty IMO.
    This however does not go to the legality of the issue. Nobody questions whether it is legal for a father to buy beer or wine or whatever. It is. And in this case there is really no question that he is buying the booze for a minor. The issue is that the proprietor has a personal moral objection to selling the booze to somebody in plain sight of his kids. Whether or not we think that a valid point or think it borders on being pretty squirrely and/or fanatical, the issue is whether a private business owner has the right to make such a rule. And in my opinion yes he does. A private business owner should always be able to run his business in a way that is moral and ethical to the business owner.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No doubt it is a liability thing. If someone buys alcohol, then gives it to a minor, then some lawyer somewhere has figured out a way to stick the retailer with the liability for whatever that minor might do while under the influence. That's how absurd our liability laws have become.

    BTW, I just returned from a trip to Idaho, where I noticed signs in some of the businesses: "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." I don't see those in California, Oregon, Washington, or Nevada. It must be part of a state law.
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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Only in the minds of leftists.
    Actually that's mostly in the minds of the fictional leftists you've constructed in your own head.


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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Actually that's mostly in the minds of the fictional leftists you've constructed in your own head.
    Not really.

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    Re: Should a retailer refuse to sell alcohol to a legal adult if a minor is present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    You don't know Texas at all I see. Texas isn't unified in it's drinking laws. Some areas are dry, some are wet, and some are moist, unless something changed dramatically since I left. Dallas area was a hoot. Farmer's Branch totally dry, Addison had a leg that came very close to FB and other dry or moist cities in the Dallas Metro and Addison was fully wet, so you could walk three blocks and legally buy booze, but you couldn't legally carry it home.

    Anyway, maybe the wet/dry/moist is changed though I have never heard that it was.
    I know Texas pretty well actually. I have never heard of a "moist" county but I believe it. There are laws enforced by the TABC (Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission) and then there are local laws.
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