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    Re: Do you think the Obama administration is anti Israel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    But, but, but only lefties voted!



    What can I say?

    Looks like the lefties rule because the righties didn't show up to vote.

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    Re: Do you think the Obama administration is anti Israel?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Looks like the lefties rule because the righties didn't show up to vote.
    There are differenct sorts of people on this left and right, though. The liberal portion of the left supports Istrael, while the dogmatic, illiberal part doesn't. On the right, various religious fundies only support Israel because they want the fulfillment of biblical prophesy, which involves its destruction.

    Most people really don't have a freaking clue WHY they do or do not support Israel. THey just babble on with the buzz terms and talking points they find at websites. Anybody who thinks in terms of "I am (fill in the blank), therefore I do or do not support Israel are too dogmatic to have any credibility.

    Isreal represents the manifestation of self-determination for a small minority that has been hounded and oppressed and denied a voice throughout its long history as a people. It is BY FAR the most liberal society in its region. One would think any liberal worth their salt would recognize the social dynamics at play here in regerds to majority vs. minority, as well as recognize the relative liberalism of the people, themselves, but to an increasing degree, they don't. If peole would actually evaluate the situation according to many long-standing liberal principles, they would reject this whole tendency to create a litmus tests where hating Israel is part and parcel of being on the left.
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    Re: Do you think the Obama administration is anti Israel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    There are differenct sorts of people on this left and right, though. The liberal portion of the left supports Istrael, while the dogmatic, illiberal part doesn't. On the right, various religious fundies only support Israel because they want the fulfillment of biblical prophesy, which involves its destruction.

    Most people really don't have a freaking clue WHY they do or do not support Israel. THey just babble on with the buzz terms and talking points they find at websites. Anybody who thinks in terms of "I am (fill in the blank), therefore I do or do not support Israel are too dogmatic to have any credibility.

    Isreal represents the manifestation of self-determination for a small minority that has been hounded and oppressed and denied a voice throughout its long history as a people. It is BY FAR the most liberal society in its region. One would think any liberal worth their salt would recognize the social dynamics at play here in regerds to majority vs. minority, as well as recognize the relative liberalism of the people, themselves, but to an increasing degree, they don't. If peole would actually evaluate the situation according to many long-standing liberal principles, they would reject this whole tendency to create a litmus tests where hating Israel is part and parcel of being on the left.
    I'm liberal. I support Israel for a variety of reasons. Not the least of which is I would not want them as an enemy. They don't **** around.
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    Re: Do you think the Obama administration is anti Israel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    There are differenct sorts of people on this left and right, though. The liberal portion of the left supports Istrael, while the dogmatic, illiberal part doesn't. On the right, various religious fundies only support Israel because they want the fulfillment of biblical prophesy, which involves its destruction.

    Most people really don't have a freaking clue WHY they do or do not support Israel. THey just babble on with the buzz terms and talking points they find at websites. Anybody who thinks in terms of "I am (fill in the blank), therefore I do or do not support Israel are too dogmatic to have any credibility.

    Isreal represents the manifestation of self-determination for a small minority that has been hounded and oppressed and denied a voice throughout its long history as a people. It is BY FAR the most liberal society in its region. One would think any liberal worth their salt would recognize the social dynamics at play here in regerds to majority vs. minority, as well as recognize the relative liberalism of the people, themselves, but to an increasing degree, they don't. If peole would actually evaluate the situation according to many long-standing liberal principles, they would reject this whole tendency to create a litmus tests where hating Israel is part and parcel of being on the left.
    It requires a certain amount of dogmatic overabundance to blindly and without reservation support the actions of any country. Those who disagree with any action Israel might have taken are assumed by you to be anti-Israel.
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    Re: Do you think the Obama administration is anti Israel?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I'm not sure he'd have a choice. Even if he were anti-Israel, the pro-Israel people in our country/government are very strong and I think that's a battle he'd lose if he were to try and cut off funding.

    *IF*... key word: "if"... he is anti-Israel, I believe he wouldn't bother fighting this battle when he knows he wouldn't win. Too much political capital to lose.

    Personally, I see nothing to suggest he's necessarily anti-Israel, but I don't think he's technically pro-Israel, either.


    No, he is not anti Israel, but he may be anti Netenyahu. I don't think they like each other on a personal basis, particularly right now..

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    Re: Do you think the Obama administration is anti Israel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It requires a certain amount of dogmatic overabundance to blindly and without reservation support the actions of any country. Those who disagree with any action Israel might have taken are assumed by you to be anti-Israel.
    When 100% of a person's comments on the subject vilify anything and everything Israel does and they flat out state that it is the worst country in the world, there is no assumption involved.

    Even if they do happen to be so underhanded as to try to claim the reaction is to disagreement about "anything" Israel does.
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    Re: Do you think the Obama administration is anti Israel?

    I am sad to see some of my Conservative friends disagree with me on this issue........Obama goes around the world and praises the Muslim countries yet when the Prime Minister of Israel comes here for a state visit Obama shuns and ignores him......Kerry puts out a cease fire plan that gives the Arabs everything they want and the Israelis nothing....That is just 2 examples....It boggles the mind.
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    Re: Do you think the Obama administration is anti Israel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am sad to see some of my Conservative friends disagree with me on this issue........Obama goes around the world and praises the Muslim countries yet when the Prime Minister of Israel comes here for a state visit Obama shuns and ignores him......Kerry puts out a cease fire plan that gives the Arabs everything they want and the Israelis nothing....That is just 2 examples....It boggles the mind.
    I'd just mark that down to Obama thinking we can appease potential Muslim state enemies by doing these things.

    I think he's wrong, probably, but then I think he's wrong about most things.
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    Re: Do you think the Obama administration is anti Israel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am sad to see some of my Conservative friends disagree with me on this issue........Obama goes around the world and praises the Muslim countries yet when the Prime Minister of Israel comes here for a state visit Obama shuns and ignores him......Kerry puts out a cease fire plan that gives the Arabs everything they want and the Israelis nothing....That is just 2 examples....It boggles the mind.
    What Muslim countries is Obama praising? Please be specific.

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    No, he is not anti Israel, but he may be anti Netenyahu. I don't think they like each other on a personal basis, particularly right now..
    I think this is probably true.
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    Re: Do you think the Obama administration is anti Israel?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I'd just mark that down to Obama thinking we can appease potential Muslim state enemies by doing these things.

    I think he's wrong, probably, but then I think he's wrong about most things.
    What about when he ignored and shunned the Prime Minister Israel......Is that what you do for a state head?you seemed to have missed that one
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