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Thread: 100 years since the start of the first world war

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    Re: 100 years since the start of the first world war

    Well, since it's been 100 years...let's start another one for old times sake.

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    Re: 100 years since the start of the first world war

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    The fall of the Soviet Union was one of the various results of the Pax Americana that has reigned since WW2 ended.

    The withdrawal of the influence of the USA from the world stage perpetrated by the guy in the White House is producing the fruit of the last 4 years. The years that occurred before 2008 were not of his doing.

    The stage was set for him to fail after Bush removed one of the cornerstones from the balance of power in the Middle East with no plan for the after fall. However, the failure that Obama has achieved is far and away greater than anything anyone could have predicted.

    Obama is really nothing short of a savant in destroying the USA in order to destroy the world. With the help and the ideology of the leftovers of the Weathermen Underground, he is fulfilling the dreams of the left wing radicals of the 60's and the 70's.
    Dude...you really need to lay off the grape Kool-Aid....

    Lemme see here...the Dow's on track to perhaps even triple what it was two months after Obama took office, the deficit's been cut by more than 50%...and Obama's grown the government more slowly than any president since Eisenhower.

    We are now involved in ZERO major wars - Afghanistan's in the last few months of an occupation, and all we have in Iraq are a relatively few troops in an 'advisory' role.

    Add to that the fact that Obama's gotten us closer to having universal health care (like ALL the other first-world democracies already have) than any other president...and the percentage of uninsured has already dropped significantly.

    "Don't-ask-don't-tell" is gone and most of the nation's come to understand that discrimination against LGBT's is flatly wrong, just as any discrimination is wrong.

    And on top of all that, he's been having to deal with the most obstructionist Congress since the Civil War. This Congress can't even pass VA reform because the Republicans refuse to pay for it, thinking that tax cuts will somehow pay for the tens of billions more tax dollars that will be required to pay for reform of the VA.

    You can gripe all you want...but history is going to show that Obama was in retrospect a very good president indeed.
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    Re: 100 years since the start of the first world war

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    You seem to be tinkling that the last 5 or 6 years is a great example of successful statesmanship.

    The last 5 or 6 years has been an example of the mischievous nations and actors in the world in Europe, Africa, Asia, South America and the Middle East to measure the leader of our country. They have found him to be a gutless, witless, paper tiger with no courage, intelligence or ability to lead.

    The preceding period of peace that you seem to be crediting to Obama that occurred before Obama got the chance to muddle things up is not so much different than the period from 1900 to 1910.
    Um, if you'll notice, I'm referring to the last quarter century. I know, I know, all you can see and think about is Obama - you've got a serious case of "Obama Derangement Syndrome" - but this is much bigger than Obama or even America as a whole.

    And the period between 1900 and 1910 was NOT so peaceful - we were dealing with the Huk rebellion in the Philippines after we kicked out the Spanish during the Spanish-American War (and where we committed a small-scale genocide), the Russians and the Japanese had a major war, there was the second Boer War in Africa...

    ...and those are the ones I know of off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find more if necessary.

    Try again, guy - we ARE in the middle of what is (relatively speaking) the most peaceful time in recorded human history. And yes, this DOES take into account Rwanda.
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    Re: 100 years since the start of the first world war

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    You don't need a catastrophe to significantly weaken "civilization". Looking at deaths as a measure is actually quiet asinine considering the advancement in modern medicine since WW2 For example.. Today after the creation of MASH (now Combat Support Hospitals) deaths resulting from combat wounds went down dramatically.. for example in the Korean War, if you made it to a MASH unit, you had a 97% survival rate. Then difference in type of combat. Low Intensity Conflict (Guerrilla warfare and Terrorism) is now the main way to fight. This also makes large standing armies pointless. You aren't gonna see a 1 million man army outside of China any time soon. So that also makes a difference as well.
    It's not just a measure of deaths, but of major conflicts. Yes, there have been quite a few low-intensity conflicts, but these do not come close to comparing with outright war...and outright wars have been few and far between since the fall of the USSR. The only ones I can think of are the Rwanda genocide, Afghanistan (which really wasn't much of a war in the historical sense), our (illegal and unprovoked) invasion of Afghanistan, and the civil war in Syria...and other than a few relatively minor rebellions like Egypt and Libya and some relatively minor actions like Russia's annexation of Georgia, that's about it. I cannot think of any other 25-year period that was as peaceful, relative to the world's population.

    I quite agree that large standing armies are becoming less of a necessity, but we will always need a strong army - no matter what, a nation at war cannot occupy a location without boots on the ground (and I credit that particular lesson to a retired Marine back in the mid-80's who helped me install a badly-needed window in my navel so I could see where I was going).

    I also quite agree that China will probably always need a large standing army - and I'm pretty sure you said that because they need it not for offensive actions against other nations, but for internal security like the almost-simmering revolt going on in Xinjiang by the minority Uighurs.

    And just to tick you off, I'll sign,

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    Re: 100 years since the start of the first world war

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Tomorrow July 28 2014 will be the centenary of the beginning of the first world war.

    Since then we have had 2 world wars with millions of killed soldiers and innocent civilian victims.

    We have seen the rise and the fall of the league of nations.

    We have seen the formulation of Geneva conventions on war crimes.

    The start of the world court to prosecute war criminals around the world.

    The start of the cold war and the Warshaw pact and the fall of the Soviet Union.

    But the question is, do you think there will ever be another world war?
    I would hope that with modern technology it would be hard for the people to be that gullible to support another war like that.But all it would take is a bunch of politicians like John McCain their mouths on the cocks of the military industrial complex to manipulate the people into supporting another war like that
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    Re: 100 years since the start of the first world war

    There's a distinction between "total war" and war by proxy. The first entails seeking total and direct destruction of the enemy, until it surrenders control of its government. That is what i think of by the phrase 'world war,' along with involvement of the world's military powers. This would just lead to wiping out both populations, the "mutually assured destruction" that was so feared during the cold war. It would resemble only the end of the 2nd war. There will never be another conflict like that of 100 years ago, the massive stupidity of millions of soldiers futilely battling in trench warfare for years.

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    Re: 100 years since the start of the first world war

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    No. Einstein knew what he was doing when he proposed atomic weapons.
    Something he came to deeply regret: "Had I known that the Germans would not succeed in producing an atomic bomb, I would have never lifted a finger."

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    Re: 100 years since the start of the first world war

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Tomorrow July 28 2014 will be the centenary of the beginning of the first world war.

    Since then we have had 2 world wars with millions of killed soldiers and innocent civilian victims.

    We have seen the rise and the fall of the league of nations.

    We have seen the formulation of Geneva conventions on war crimes.

    The start of the world court to prosecute war criminals around the world.

    The start of the cold war and the Warshaw pact and the fall of the Soviet Union.

    But the question is, do you think there will ever be another world war?
    Unsure.

    The prevalence of rapid world-wide communication may prevent such a thing.

    Or it may cause it.
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    Re: 100 years since the start of the first world war

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    It's not just a measure of deaths, but of major conflicts. Yes, there have been quite a few low-intensity conflicts, but these do not come close to comparing with outright war...and outright wars have been few and far between since the fall of the USSR. The only ones I can think of are the Rwanda genocide, Afghanistan (which really wasn't much of a war in the historical sense), our (illegal and unprovoked) invasion of Afghanistan, and the civil war in Syria...and other than a few relatively minor rebellions like Egypt and Libya and some relatively minor actions like Russia's annexation of Georgia, that's about it. I cannot think of any other 25-year period that was as peaceful, relative to the world's population.
    First Gulf War, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Algerian Civil War, Balkans, Civil War in Afghanistan, Somali, Nepalese Civil War, Burundian Civil War, First Congo War, Republic of the Congo Civil War, Albanian Rebellion of 1997, Eritrean–Ethiopian War, Second Congo War, Chechen Wars (2 of them), First Ivorian Civil War, Darfur, South Sudanese Civil War, and Central African Republic conflict to name a few all since 1989.

    Rwanda was bad.. but Congolese wars were pretty bad as well. First Congo War was 6 months and anywhere between 250,000 to 800,000 killed of that 220,000 refugees are missing still. Second Congo War which was just short of 5 years has a death toll between 2.7 million and 5.4 million.

    There are a lot of wars that aren't covered in Western Media that people forget about. But death toll in Africa over the last 25 years due to conflict would be pretty close to what we saw in WW1 and WW2 if accurately investigated.


    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I quite agree that large standing armies are becoming less of a necessity, but we will always need a strong army - no matter what, a nation at war cannot occupy a location without boots on the ground (and I credit that particular lesson to a retired Marine back in the mid-80's who helped me install a badly-needed window in my navel so I could see where I was going).
    Of course, but standing policy isn't to occupy but to police.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I also quite agree that China will probably always need a large standing army - and I'm pretty sure you said that because they need it not for offensive actions against other nations, but for internal security like the almost-simmering revolt going on in Xinjiang by the minority Uighurs.
    That and China wouldn't mind taking back a few islands.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And just to tick you off, I'll sign,

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    Re: 100 years since the start of the first world war

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    First Gulf War, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Algerian Civil War, Balkans, Civil War in Afghanistan, Somali, Nepalese Civil War, Burundian Civil War, First Congo War, Republic of the Congo Civil War, Albanian Rebellion of 1997, Eritrean–Ethiopian War, Second Congo War, Chechen Wars (2 of them), First Ivorian Civil War, Darfur, South Sudanese Civil War, and Central African Republic conflict to name a few all since 1989.
    Thing is, other than the Rwanda war, all those are pretty minor. We don't hear about most of those in the history books because they don't affect Western civilization.

    Rwanda was bad.. but Congolese wars were pretty bad as well. First Congo War was 6 months and anywhere between 250,000 to 800,000 killed of that 220,000 refugees are missing still. Second Congo War which was just short of 5 years has a death toll between 2.7 million and 5.4 million.
    On the one hand, I'm enjoying discussing this matter with someone who has a clue (kudos to you) - but on the other hand, the key to what I said was "relative to the population"...because Africa and (if to a lesser extent) eastern Europe have never been peaceful places to raise a family. Do you really think that in generations gone by, that Africa was a peaceful place to live? Of course not.

    There are a lot of wars that aren't covered in Western Media that people forget about. But death toll in Africa over the last 25 years due to conflict would be pretty close to what we saw in WW1 and WW2 if accurately investigated.
    Very true - but remember, what I said was "relative to the population".

    Of course, but standing policy isn't to occupy but to police.
    I could argue that...and if I read you correctly, you know the arguments I'd use.

    That and China wouldn't mind taking back a few islands.
    You're absolutely right about that one...but a strong army doesn't do much when it comes to taking control of an island. The real battle - when it comes to the Spratly Islands - is economic and political, because if we involved ourselves in a naval battle for those islands, the Chinese wouldn't stand a chance. Of course, being retired Navy, I'm biased...but most of their admirals know that they cannot compete with our Navy.

    LMAO! I would say sarcastically, I can't fix stupid in a jokingly manner but I'd probably get an infraction.
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