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  • the right to take what other people have

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    Re: economic freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    Their are diffrent definition of economic freedom. Some can see it as the right to make economic direction and actions some can see it's the ability to make economic direction and actions.

    For example a country with bad public school and expensive and good private school and also good but costly university, children have so diffrent ability to pursue a academic career and archieve their place in the market economy. This based on a factor they can't control the parents they are borned with,

    That taxes can therefor been seen as not taking away peoples freedom but being a away for insuring peoples freedom.

    Also this doesn't mean that you reject the market economy but instead just realise it's not perfect and that other form of human interactions is also needed.





    Freedom isn't my only core value, but that's what this thread is about. There are plenty of other threads for discussing the outcomes of policies.
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    Re: economic freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    Their are diffrent definition of economic freedom. Some can see it as the right to make economic direction and actions some can see it's the ability to make economic direction and actions.

    For example a country with bad public school and expensive and good private school and also good but costly university, children have so diffrent ability to pursue a academic career and archieve their place in the market economy. This based on a factor they can't control the parents they are borned with,

    That taxes can therefor been seen as not taking away peoples freedom but being a away for insuring peoples freedom.

    Also this doesn't mean that you reject the market economy but instead just realise it's not perfect and that other form of human interactions is also needed.





    Which one of those reflects how you feel? Like I said, I have other core values aside from freedom, so I want people to have that ability, but when the government enacts policies that increase that ability, they usually decrease the right. The right and the ability are opposing forces to some degree. So which one is a better definition of freedom? This is basically a debate over positive rights vs. negative rights, IOW, the old definition of freedom vs. the new definition.
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    Re: economic freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I'm not real crazy about your choices. The government owns a lot of things... does that mean there's a lot of economic freedom because of it? Plantation-holders owned slaves. Was that a sign of economic freedom, as well?
    One person's rights end where another person's rights begin. The plantation owner's right to make money ends where the worker's right to not be a slave begins.
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    Re: economic freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    One person's rights end where another person's rights begin. The plantation owner's right to make money ends where the worker's right to not be a slave begins.
    I agree. However, our opinions on what those individuals have a right to would probably differ. Unfortunately, many 'libertarians' place property above rights. They often forget that often what is considered private property was once common property until it was taken by force.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
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    Re: economic freedom

    There is no right to economic freedom. You have the ABILITY to participate, you do not have the RIGHT to participate. People need to figure out that rights and abilities are not the same thing.
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    Re: economic freedom

    The right to take back what we produce.

    Since the "job creators" produce NOTHING.

    Time to repeal the 1946 slave act. Taft hartly.
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    Re: economic freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    The right to take back what we produce.

    Since the "job creators" produce NOTHING.

    Time to repeal the 1946 slave act. Taft hartly.
    "take back"? Did someone take something without permission?
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    Re: economic freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    "take back"? Did someone take something without permission?
    yes they took the fruit of labor for millions of US Citizens. $150 hour value, and paid $7.35.
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    Re: economic freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    yes they took the fruit of labor for millions of US Citizens. $150 hour value, and paid $7.35.
    Unless it was slavery, the workers did it willingly.
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    Re: economic freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Unless it was slavery, the workers did it willingly.
    HA HA HA HA, same old lies as 1880................Starve or work for min wage............some choice.
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