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    Re: Does the US have what it takes to fight... and win... a war?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    The OP question is incredibly vague.

    Fight a war against whom?

    Against the whole world - no.

    Against any single country - yes.

    Against a combination of countries - depends on the combination.
    Also, do we have allies? (which we inevitably will have in almost every war scenario)
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    Re: Does the US have what it takes to fight... and win... a war?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Does the US have what it takes to fight... and win... a war?

    Intestinal fortitude. Guts.

    I'm purposely leaving out an "other" option.

    Nope.We have the equipment and men to win a war.But suits in D.C. with the aid of the media who has no interest in the war being won will screw it up.
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    Re: Does the US have what it takes to fight... and win... a war?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Does the US have what it takes to fight... and win... a war?

    Intestinal fortitude. Guts.

    I'm purposely leaving out an "other" option.
    There's been no evidence that we can since WWII. So I guess the only logical answer is no.
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    Re: Does the US have what it takes to fight... and win... a war?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Nope.We have the equipment and men to win a war.But suits in D.C. with the aid of the media who has no interest in the war being won will screw it up.
    The media is not that much of a player, more of a pawn of the DC suits who are pawns of the MIC who are the REAL ones who don't want wars won because they want them to go on forever in some form or fashion.
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    Re: Does the US have what it takes to fight... and win... a war?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Does the US have what it takes to fight... and win... a war?

    Intestinal fortitude. Guts.

    I'm purposely leaving out an "other" option.
    It depends, if the country does not see an immediate threat, then they will be soft in conflicts labeled as preventative conflicts. American's throughout history are known to wait until the last minute to realize the situation the rest of the world is in is a threat to America. Most Americans could care less about what happens to people in other countries, unless of course our guys are dieing to protect them. We preach loudly of human rights and pretend to sigh heavily at the plight of others around the world, but won't lift a finger to help them. To us, we believe if we send some money and some band aids, that is enough. When we try to do the right thing and send in our military to protect the people from their governments and dictators, all it takes is a few of our guys to be killed and for the anti-war media to start churning and we pull back faster then France during WW2. In the end, leaving the people in an even worse condition then before our intervention.

    If we are immediately attacked, our military will crush and decimate any other standing military in the world. I would even go as far to say that we could probably take on the world as a whole and be quite successful. Our limiting factor would be being overpowered simply by being outnumbered. Even as small as our military is today, I still don't think there is a military or combination of militaries that could militarily defeat the United States.

    However, the United States can be defeated in small battles that they don't have their hearts in easily. The Militants know this very well and use the US media and the internal groups within America (Anti-War groups) to defeat the US military via propaganda. It is a very good tactic and one that is working all over the Middle East. The uneducated, ignorant and highly emotionally sensitive American minds are easily swayed by propaganda abroad. This is the best weapon to defeat America in any small conflict.
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    Re: Does the US have what it takes to fight... and win... a war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Refer to WW2 and my previous post.
    We massacred countless civilians in that war, and engaged in a total effort that included control by the government over civil society. Today's populace is not willing to go through that for anything short of (maybe) an actual invasion of CONUS.

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    Re: Does the US have what it takes to fight... and win... a war?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Does the US have what it takes to fight... and win... a war?

    Intestinal fortitude. Guts.

    I'm purposely leaving out an "other" option.

    the military most certainly has the guts to win a war.

    the "people" and the civilian leadership?... not a chance in hell.

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    Re: Does the US have what it takes to fight... and win... a war?

    Depends on the war.
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    Re: Does the US have what it takes to fight... and win... a war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It depends on what you mean by a war. If you're talking about being the bully on the beach, which is what we've done recently, then sure. We never fight anyone who can actually fight back, we have weapons designed to fight the Russians during the Cold War, we don't fight anyone with nukes, we don't fight anyone with advanced military weapons, we go after people with surplus weapons that have no chance whatsoever against us.

    In a fair fight, with equivalent weapons, Americans don't have the balls. The first time you saw a field-full of body bags coming home on TV, we'd want to pull out. We don't understand a fair fight, we don't want to engage in them.
    Until recently, America has always been a warrior nation just like Great Britain, Germany, Russia, etc.

    But the demographics in America have severely changed over the past few decades. We now have tens of millions of Americans and immigrants who are not warriors or came from a warrior mentality nation.

    The American or British soldier wasn't superior to the German soldier, the only time the Germans were defeated on the battlefield was when they were superiorly outnumbered.

    The reason Germany was defeated during WW ll was because unlike the USA, UK and the USSR, Germany didn't or waited to long to fight a total war. Total war being that the civilian population and industry has to be completely mobilized participating in the war effort. Everything was rationed, gasoline, shoes, butter, meat, etc. You couldn't purchase a new car or replace a tire with a new tire.

    Where as the German population still wanted their chocolate, cigarettes, brats and Oktoberfest. Germany didn't go on to a total war footing until it was too late.

    The U.S. military was never defeated on the battlefields of Vietnam. The war could have ended in 1966 if LBJ wasn't micromanaging the war by forcing PC rules of engagement upon the Navy and Air Force over North Vietnam. The war was actually won after the defeat of VC and NVA forces during the Tet Offensive of 68 until Walter Cronkite got on television and lied to the American people.
    When the last American soldiers left the RVN in 1973 the mission was accomplished, South Vietnam hadn't fallen under communism and every province in South Vietnam was left in full control of ARVAN.

    Today, the Russian people aren't scared to fight and if Russia decided to go to war you would see one million Russians volunteering to fight for Mother Russia.

    America use to be like that, always willing to get into a fight, always hundreds of thousands volunteering to fight for America. But the demographics have changed in America and Americans have become pantywaist softies who depend on technology. Pizza Huts in a theatre of combat. The military being used for social engineering experimentation. A soldier, sailor or Marine talks like a soldier, sailor or Marine and the PC police call for their punishment or walking the plank

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    Re: Does the US have what it takes to fight... and win... a war?

    If our survival is actually at stake? Sure. Any invading force would get demolished, for example.

    I'd fight to keep my wife and kid safe without hesitation.

    I'd never fight simply because some politician or the government told me to, though.

    Too often recently, the politicians and government have wasted people's lives for bull**** purposes. We won't ever get another WWII because nobody in this country can trust a politician to send them to war for a truly altruistic reason anymore. They've destroyed their own credibility.
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