View Poll Results: Should 'people punching' weapons be kept by civilians who want them?

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    To my knowledge, NO weapon is made with the express purpose of killing large numbers of people in a short time at close range.
    In that case, what purpose was a modern, belt-fed machine gun made for?
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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    And military grade weapons in the 18th century couldn't do much beyond individual self defense and hunting, so it was a moot point at the time.
    Obviously it was not a 'moot point', any more so than their decision to protect other individual rights. They had the foresight and wisdom to see that some people would both readily abandon personal rights and/or insist the government has the right to seize those personal rights and freedoms. Thats why they were included. They are guarded from foolish revisionism.

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I can own a sword without ever actually using it the way it was intended to be used. The act of owning a lethal weapon doesnt ever implicate that it will be used to kill people.

    When one starts taking away objects that may be used to harm people you end up with a world with no corners because they might hurt someone. Take away scissors because someone might run with them.

    AH but one might say that at least scissors cant kill a lot of people easily. Well a vehicle certainly can. Ban those damn cars!
    That's why states issue (and can revoke) driver's licenses. Are you saying you support gun operator licenses?
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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    In that case, what purpose was a modern, belt-fed machine gun made for?

    Chiefly, suppressive fire. That is, making the enemy keep their heads down and not shoot back.


    No ****. Look it up.


    Also, one of those isn't very useful in close combat. Too awkward. Actually meant for longer ranges.

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    No one can profess to have a definite understanding of the intentions of the authors of the 2A. It's meaning is still hotly contested and it's my understanding that the current interpretation didn't come about until relatively recently:

    2010: In two decisions clarifying their 2008 Heller ruling, the Supreme Court said that the Second Amendment limits the governmentís ability to restrict the right to keep and bear armsómeaning that states and cities could not significantly limit this right. The Court didnít say what sorts of gun control laws would be permissible.

    Isn't this correct?
    The founders very clearly stated their intent. People today try their damnedest to change their meaning based on their own personal bias but you CAN NOT refute the founders intent. Even if you dont like it.

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Obviously it was not a 'moot point', any more so than their decision to protect other individual rights. They had the foresight and wisdom to see that some people would both readily abandon personal rights and/or insist the government has the right to seize those personal rights and freedoms. Thats why they were included. They are guarded from foolish revisionism.
    The "nuh uh" defense adds no strength to your argument at all.
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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Chiefly, suppressive fire. That is, making the enemy keep their heads down and not shoot back.


    No ****. Look it up.


    Also, one of those isn't very useful in close combat. Too awkward. Actually meant for longer ranges.
    You wouldn't mind providing a source, would you?
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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
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    Ignoring something you don't like doesn't make it go away, nor change what they said.
    I'm not ignoring it. It's just obvious that a debate with you on this will go nowhere. Which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

    And they're pretty clear. Let's focus on just one for now, to avoid overload and confusion...
    gee thanks

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    This actually represents a big part of the problem here. I'm actually not interested in debating the intention of the 2A because I don't have a problem with individuals owning firearms. I endorse making restrictions like background checks on private and gun show sales, automatic weapons ban federal law.
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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    You still need to specify exactly which weapons you're polling about.
    That would be hard to do without going through the list of hundreds (if not thousands) of available weapons. This isn't a legislative committee; I'm here for a more general discussion.
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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The founders very clearly stated their intent. People today try their damnedest to change their meaning based on their own personal bias but you CAN NOT refute the founders intent. Even if you dont like it.
    When was that interpretation endorsed by the SC?
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