View Poll Results: Should 'people punching' weapons be kept by civilians who want them?

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    This poll question refers to firearms that are designed for the primary purpose of killing several people at close or medium range in a very short time. If you answer, please explain why civilians should be able to keep them or why not.

    Also, the question has nothing to do with whether these types of firearms are legal and constitutional to own (in the US), but whether they should be.
    Forgive me if I am redundant if some/all of the following has already been said, but I didn't read the entire thread.

    Why as a civilian would you not require the same firepower that is available to police?

    When shooting at a human target most people - including police - don't hit the person on the first shot.

    When they do, they don't halt the threat with one round.

    When they do halt the threat it often requires more than one round.

    Conditions are damn near never optimum. It's never going to perfect light, perfect position, non-moving target, non-covered target, single target, no wind, no rain, you have your glasses on, your shooting hand is free and clear, you weren't awaken from a deep sleep by an alarm or breaking glass, there is no one behind the person you are shooting at, the person is within perfect range and is not shooting at you, etc. You can train for all that and more. Many of us do. Training teaches you that it is nothing like television. Unfortunately a great deal of the population doesn't understand that.

    (A little 17 year old girl was shot three times with a .45 caliber. One of the rounds hit her in the chest. Physically, she is going to be OK. Taking three rounds from a .45 cal didn't stop her from crawling inside and calling for help. There is a long held myth that a 45. cal is a man stopper and that one round anywhere will knock a man down. That isn't true.

    About a year ago a woman defending herself and her 3 children in their home, mid-day, good neighborhood, middle of the week from a dirt bag who picked their home at random to rob shot and hit the guy 5 times in the head a close range with rounds from a .38 caliber revolver. The guy was still able to make it back down 3 flights of stairs, out the front door and down the street in his car until he lost it by hitting a lamp post.

    Depending on the type of revolver she was using she may have had only 5 rounds, she only had 6 at the most. Unless she had speed loaders or strip clips ready and was adept at reloading under extreme stress the criminal was very close to being able to harm her or her children even AFTER he had been hit 5 times in the head.)

    Bad people who would do you harm often do not commit their crimes by themselves.

    While preferable, often escape from the threat is not a viable option.

    Depending on the drugs a drug addled maniac often doesn't respond to severe wounding in the way that normal humans do.

    Here is the most critical point IMHO, most people who find themselves in a situation where they must defend themselves have none of this information about their assailants before hand. You do not know what it is going to take to stop the threat before you are already involved in attempting to do so.


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    When people are seriously threatened the first contact they make is to call for someone with a gun.

    When seconds count police are minutes away.










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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    This poll question refers to firearms that are designed for the primary purpose of killing several people at close or medium range in a very short time. If you answer, please explain why civilians should be able to keep them or why not.

    Also, the question has nothing to do with whether these types of firearms are legal and constitutional to own (in the US), but whether they should be.
    While I'm against the kind of guns that are designed to kill a lot of innocent people I'm all for the ones that are designed to defend myself and others from gangs of people that might want to kill us.. Maybe you can help....what brands are my kind?

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    the ones that shoot a lot of bullets really really fast



    Just a smidge vague, dear.

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    how about a sawed off, double barrel shotgun, 12 ga., barrels cut to six inches, with a pistol grip. Not good for hunting. Not good for sharpshooting. Not much good for anything, except perhaps "people punching."


    Not much good for that either, at ranges exceeding about six feet. Pattern spread would be terrible.

    However, I knew an old guy that carried one as a snake gun when he went fishing. I warned him it was illegal without a stamp, but he didn't care.

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    One could start by looking into how the firearm is marketed and to whom. And by asking "what could this gun be good for outside of the military?"


    Self defense maybe.

    Man defends himself and roommates with AR-15 (New York)

    15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

    Video of man defending home against men armed with AR-15 - The Firearm Blog


    I dunno about you, but if I should ever have to defend myself against a home invasion, a rifle with a 30 round magazine is quite comforting. Not much worry about running out of ammo.

    & I live down in the country on a farm, so hitting the neighbors isn't much of a worry.

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Just a smidge vague, dear.
    Just lighten the mood dear
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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    For the record, the term has been used before. (Feel free to research it if you want.) And like opendebate, I am totally against the idea of confiscating handguns used for self-defense or weapons designed for hunting. It's only when some civilians would insist on a "right" to military-grade weapons that I begin to question their motives.


    I don't know why the hate for semi-auto rifles. They are rarely ever used in crime.

    Murder weapons used:

    Knives 13.4%
    Clubs, blunt objects and bare hands/feet 9.7%

    All rifles of any kind: 2.6%

    FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Can you at least tell me why it should be okay for a garden-variety civilian to own a military grade firearm? Do you understand this question?


    Do you even know what you mean when you say "military grade firearm"? Can you define it?

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So this contract is nothing but a concept? Well, thank god, I thought I agreed to something for a second there, but thankfully it's still just a concept in your head.
    You're not very well read on political philosophy I take it right?

    No, the "Social Contract" has never been suggested or implied to be a literal, tangible, actual "contract". That's ridiculous.

    Did you know Thomas Hobbes's "The Leviathan" wasn't actually talking about a giant sea monster either, right?

    And the "State of Nature" is not an actual "State" nor is it necessarily LITERALLY meaning someone that's just out in "nature"

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