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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I know. Where is this contract you speak of? If you are going to hold me to the terms of a contract the least you can do is allow me to look over it's terms.
    It's a concept, the terms are called law. You ignoring it does not negate its existence or reason.

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's a concept, the terms are called law. You ignoring it does not negate its existence.
    So this contract is nothing but a concept? Well, thank god, I thought I agreed to something for a second there, but thankfully it's still just a concept in your head.

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    That's why states issue (and can revoke) driver's licenses. Are you saying you support gun operator licenses?
    Can a person who killed someone with a firearm own a firearm? That would be the equivalent of killing someone with a vehicle. So no I dont think that murderers should be allowed to own a firearm.

    BTW you can own a vehicle yet not drive it, negating the need for a drivers license. In fact if you lose your licence you may still own a vehicle. But if you kill someone whether it was with a firearm or not you lose the right to own a firearm. But both methods can kill mass amounts of people with ease. WHere are all these people when it comes to vehicles why are they not calling for their ban?

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    For the record, the term has been used before. (Feel free to research it if you want.) And like opendebate, I am totally against the idea of confiscating handguns used for self-defense or weapons designed for hunting. It's only when some civilians would insist on a "right" to military-grade weapons that I begin to question their motives.
    Give one example of one person with credibility using this term, we will wait. I am 35 and have around 29 years of experience with firearms and shooting and have never once heard this term issued by anyone with any real credibility.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So this contract is nothing but a concept? Well, thank god, I thought I agreed to something for a second there, but thankfully it's still just a concept in your head.
    I didn't invent the concept of The Social Contract. I merely understand it.

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I didn't invent the concept of The Social Contract. I merely understand it.
    I know, I'm messing with you. I'm well aware of the numerous social contract theories out there. It's kind telling that there is so many, isn't it? I wonder how I can agree to all those social contracts at once? Isn't it interesting how some of them contradict each other, and yet, supposedly I agreed to all of them? Wouldn't that mean I'm in violation of some of them? What is my punishment, I wonder.
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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I know, I'm messing with you. I'm well aware of the numerous social contract theories out there. It's kind telling that there is so many, isn't it? I wonder how I can agree to all those social contracts at once?
    The is only one "Social Contract Theory". It states that we give up freedom for justice/civilization. Accompanying theories merely argue the nuance of The Social Contract from various contexts and perspective.

    My point is, the founders specification was entirely reasonable within the framework of the concept of The Social Contract. Militia/infantry arms are within ones private right to defense, personal and national. More extensive weaponry is best kept in the hands of the people through the system we've established, given Western liberal democracy.

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The is only one "Social Contract Theory". It states that we give up freedom for justice/civilization. Accompanying theories merely argue the nuance of The Social Contract from various contexts and perspective.

    My point is, the founders specification was entirely reasonable within the framework of the concept of The Social Contract. Militia/infantry arms are within ones private right to defense, personal and national.
    So the terms of the contract isn't what is important, but just that I give up something for the group? Ah..ok? That is a pretty dumbass way to uphold a contract.

    I'm pretty sure the terms of the contracts were pretty important to their authors, but ok, lets just ignore them and go with the idea we give up something for the group. That is surely upholding the contract.

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So the terms of the contract isn't what is important, but just that I give up something for the group? Ah..ok? That is a pretty dumbass way to uphold a contract.
    This is pointless, you've no understanding of why we would put the responsibility for weaponry more extensive than militia arms in the hands of our system of government and not private individuals.

    Let me know when you've negotiated new treaties. We wouldn't want the government taking away your freedom to do so.

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    re: 'People punching' guns[W:249]

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Can you at least tell me why it should be okay for a garden-variety civilian to own a military grade firearm? Do you understand this question?
    Because the Constitution explicitly affirms that we have this right, and forbids government from interfering with this right.

    If you don't like it, try to get an amendment ratified that supersedes the Second Amendment.
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