View Poll Results: The NRA mandatory school shooting plan? Good idea or not a good idea?

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  • yes, no passing shooting grade and the child may not advance to the next grade

    3 6.52%
  • no, shooting lessons I totally support but it should not determine passing to the next grade

    19 41.30%
  • the NRA has completely/partly lost the plot

    5 10.87%
  • the NRA should get the Nobel peace prize for this idea

    2 4.35%
  • No, I am going to teach my kid myself how to shoot

    5 10.87%
  • No, shooting lessons have no place at schools

    19 41.30%
  • teaching potential young gangbangers better schooting skills is not a good idea

    6 13.04%
  • I have no kids

    3 6.52%
  • I do not care one way or another

    1 2.17%
  • other ........... (please explain

    5 10.87%
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I didn't see anyone offer a curriculum, so I assume such a class would be similar to what you would need for a carry permit, and in most states that would not include marksmanship training.

    Learning how to handle a firearm includes fireing it, not necesseraly the ability to hit what you're aiming at. NYC cops hit everything but what they aim at yet we let them carry.
    Well, if NYC police cannot hit what they are shooting at means that they are not being trained properly at shooting firearms.

    And as said, teaching kids about gun safety without teaching them to shoot is not a problem, that would be a wise use of for example first aid/health care lessons.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Well, if NYC police cannot hit what they are shooting at means that they are not being trained properly at shooting firearms.
    It actualy has to do with the "New-York trigger", not marksmanship skill. A gun class which included firing the gun would teach you about how heavy trigger pulls affected your ability to hit what you're aiming at.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    And as said, teaching kids about gun safety without teaching them to shoot is not a problem, that would be a wise use of for example first aid/health care lessons.
    In first-aid we actualy performed CPR on dummies. In Combat-Lifesaver we actualy gave eachother nose-tubes and IVs. Likewise gun training should involve shooting at a target.

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we get it, are you are afraid of guns. Do you think that having more children afraid of guns will make it easier on those who terrified of weapons?
    I suppose this approach to cowardice is similar to the standard wrong-wing to most personal deficiencies—seek to achieve “equality” by dragging others down to your own level rather than by trying to overcome your deficiency and rise to the level of those others with whom you'd like to be “equal”.

    It probably seems easier to any coward to try to get others to have the same fear, than to overcome his own fear.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It actualy has to do with the "New-York trigger", not marksmanship skill. A gun class which included firing the gun would teach you about how heavy trigger pulls affected your ability to hit what you're aiming at.
    which would go against my opinion about firing a gun at school. Pulling on the trigger to feel how much power is needed to fire off a gun does not need live rounds IMHO. If children's parents want to teach their kids to fire guns they should do this as a gun club/school but not in regular school.

    Children get suspended for play acting gun fire, how would you ever stop that kind of behavior if they are going to be firing actual guns at school?

    Teaching children to stay away from guns, teaching children how to pick up guns safely and showing what a fired bullet does to flesh or sound like is one things, firing it is a whole different kinda thing which I think does not belong on schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    In first-aid we actualy performed CPR on dummies. In Combat-Lifesaver we actualy gave eachother nose-tubes and IVs. Likewise gun training should involve shooting at a target.
    That is your opinion but purely training gun safety issues does not involve shooting said gun. If parents want to subject their children to that or want to teach their children about that, then I would say there is an ample amount of places one can do this safely and legally in the US.

    Teaching children first aid is to save lives, teaching kids to not pick up guns, aim guns at other children, train them to pick up guns safely etc. etc. is to save lives but shooting guns is not something that ought to be taught at schools.

    I think children should not be owning or firing guns at all, but that is purely my opinion. To buy alcohol they have to wait until age 21, to drive they have to wait until they are 16, to join the armed forces you have to be 17 (with parental consent) and 18 without parental consent but guns is not that regulated. Sure, owning or buying a handgun for most under 18 year old youths is illegal but long guns and other non handguns in a private sale under the age of 18 is allowed (or should I say there is no federal law that forbids that) neither is shooting long guns illegal under age 18 (younger children can join their parents in a hunt).

    But again, above is just my opinion, not what I say has to happen in schools in the USA, it is just purely my opinion, nothing more and nothing less.

    It is not meant to offend or insult, it is just a gun critical opinion which some people in the US must also agree with even though it is mostly the voice of the NRA that can be heard (especially in elections) when it comes to guns.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    which would go against my opinion about firing a gun at school. Pulling on the trigger to feel how much power is needed to fire off a gun does not need live rounds IMHO.
    In order to experience the heavy trigger pull throwing your shot off, you would have to shoot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    If children's parents want to teach their kids to fire guns they should do this as a gun club/school but not in regular school.
    The shooting itself would be don at a range, not the school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Children get suspended for play acting gun fire, how would you ever stop that kind of behavior if they are going to be firing actual guns at school?
    he faculty members who took action against children play-acting gun fire with toys or pop-tarts would be terminated from their job.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Teaching children to stay away from guns, teaching children how to pick up guns safely and showing what a fired bullet does to flesh or sound like is one things, firing it is a whole different kinda thing which I think does not belong on schools.
    Firing is a core componant of proper gun handeling. You need to experience exactly what the gun will do if you pull the trigger. The only way to get that experience is to hold a loaded gun and pull the trigger.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    That is your opinion but purely training gun safety issues does not involve shooting said gun. If parents want to subject their children to that or want to teach their children about that, then I would say there is an ample amount of places one can do this safely and legally in the US.
    And such a place is in a manditory gun class. No parents or pricy gun club memberships required. They get one day in the classroom and one fieldtrip to the range and the requierment is filled.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Teaching children first aid is to save lives, teaching kids to not pick up guns, aim guns at other children, train them to pick up guns safely etc. etc. is to save lives but shooting guns is not something that ought to be taught at schools.
    Letting the child experience a real gun firing in their hand is the absolute best way to get it across that it's real, not a video game. Letting a child blast apart a watermellon is the abolute best way to get across what will happen to their friend if they play with a gun.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I think children should not be owning or firing guns at all, but that is purely my opinion. To buy alcohol they have to wait until age 21, to drive they have to wait until they are 16, to join the armed forces you have to be 17 (with parental consent) and 18 without parental consent but guns is not that regulated. Sure, owning or buying a handgun for most under 18 year old youths is illegal but long guns and other non handguns in a private sale under the age of 18 is allowed (or should I say there is no federal law that forbids that) neither is shooting long guns illegal under age 18 (younger children can join their parents in a hunt).
    This is about saftey, not owning and carrying a gun.

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    You haven't substanchiated or articulated why you object to children firing a gun, so really there's nothing to debate.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Then they can have an NRA course do that. Schools should promote learning and wisdom, not shooting.
    It can be part of physical education.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    In order to experience the heavy trigger pull throwing your shot off, you would have to shoot.
    there does not have to be a round in the chamber, pulling the trigger does not have to be followed by a shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The shooting itself would be don at a range, not the school.
    If they are going to shoot off campus then why does the school have to be involved at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The faculty members who took action against children play-acting gun fire with toys or pop-tarts would be terminated from their job.
    well, that is your opinion. They were just following the school rules. Nothing criminal or illegal about that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Firing is a core componant of proper gun handeling. You need to experience exactly what the gun will do if you pull the trigger. The only way to get that experience is to hold a loaded gun and pull the trigger.
    No, that is your opinion. Firing a gun is not needed to warn children about not accidentally shooting a gun. Again, if parents want their children to learn how to shoot they can do it on their own time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And such a place is in a manditory gun class. No parents or pricy gun club memberships required. They get one day in the classroom and one fieldtrip to the range and the requierment is filled.
    Such a place should not be mandatory gun class because there is no reason to have one. Schools are not there to promote firing of guns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Letting the child experience a real gun firing in their hand is the absolute best way to get it across that it's real, not a video game. Letting a child blast apart a watermellon is the abolute best way to get across what will happen to their friend if they play with a gun.
    And they can do this without having the school involved. If a parents wants their children to shoot guns they can decide this for themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This is about saftey, not owning and carrying a gun.
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    You haven't substanchiated or articulated why you object to children firing a gun, so really there's nothing to debate.[/QUOTE]

    No, this is about the right to bear arms, not the duty for schools to provide mandatory gun lessons.

    The right to bear arms is down to personal opinions of parents and if they refuse to let guns into their house because they are against guns or do not want their children to be exposed to guns than it is not the duty of the state, the school or the NRA to force parents to allow their children to handle/fire guns.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It can be part of physical education.
    But not a school education. There it has to be about learning from a generally accepted/mandatory curriculum. Extra curricular activities as gun shooting is for the parents themselves to organize or choose.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I disagree, it is not integral to the American because a majority of Americans do not own guns. There might be hundreds of millions of guns, but that does not mean that the schools have to be the official promotional tool of the NRA.

    If parents want their children to learn gun safety/basic marksmanship they can do this outside of schools. The NRA has options for that outside of schools.

    Also, having guns and ammunition at schools is not a good thing. They can be stolen, used for violence at schools. Having loads of guns in the vicinity of bullied children, children with mental issues, hormonal issues and criminal issues is not a good thing IMHO.
    Yes bring out your bias, as I said your poll and this thread are biased. Let's get your real feelings out on the table. And an foreigner trying to dictate what goes on in another country.....that's astounding.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    there does not have to be a round in the chamber, pulling the trigger does not have to be followed by a shot
    Yes, it does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    If they are going to shoot off campus then why does the school have to be involved at all.
    The school is the entity conducting the class. When I took driver's ed that occured off school grounds also (kinda hard to drive at freeway speeds in the parkinglot ;P ). The school was still involved because it was a school class.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Firing a gun is not needed to warn children about not accidentally shooting a gun.
    To *warn*, sure, but we're not talking about merly *warning* children. We're talking about *educating* them, and that requires shots fired.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Again, if parents want their children to learn how to shoot they can do it on their own time.
    And the school can hold a class. Both can exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Such a place should not be mandatory gun class because there is no reason to have one. Schools are not there to promote firing of guns.
    The school would be promoting saftey, not guns. You and your kids can hate guns all you want and still one day find yourself in a situation where you need to know how to handle one. Better to have the knowledge and not need it than to need the knowledge and not have it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    And they can do this without having the school involved. If a parents wants their children to shoot guns they can decide this for themselves.
    Sure but this thread is about having the school involved.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, this is about the right to bear arms, .....
    No, this is not about the right to bear arms at all. This is about the presence of guns being a reality in America and that children diserve to have saftey education regarding it.

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