View Poll Results: The NRA mandatory school shooting plan? Good idea or not a good idea?

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  • yes, no passing shooting grade and the child may not advance to the next grade

    3 6.52%
  • no, shooting lessons I totally support but it should not determine passing to the next grade

    19 41.30%
  • the NRA has completely/partly lost the plot

    5 10.87%
  • the NRA should get the Nobel peace prize for this idea

    2 4.35%
  • No, I am going to teach my kid myself how to shoot

    5 10.87%
  • No, shooting lessons have no place at schools

    19 41.30%
  • teaching potential young gangbangers better schooting skills is not a good idea

    6 13.04%
  • I have no kids

    3 6.52%
  • I do not care one way or another

    1 2.17%
  • other ........... (please explain

    5 10.87%
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    I'd rather have PE mandatory as that is far more important to the Nation's overall well being than 'shooting skills'.

    I'da thought the 'bangers' reference would give some CONs pause in considering the unintended consequences of a hair brained idea. I'd MUCH rather these kids learn how to use a condom and not be parents before they are old enough to vote than shooters.

    A political stunt to appeal to the CON sheeple, stir the pot and pander to the mouth breathers on the right.

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Classes in shooting guns should NOT be mandatory. This is purely a political move by a group which has seen firearm ownership drop as a share of the American population and is desperate to get it up again. The NRA became a increasingly political organization after the 1977 Cincinnati revolt with a sharp turn to the right. They are concerned about their political power and see this as a step to protect it.

    When I taught government for three decades, I always made it a part of the lesson on the Second Amendment to urge any student interested in owning a gun to take advantage of the NRA classes in firearms ownership and use. And many did. But this should be voluntary and outside of the normal school system.
    I agree and would add that shooting classes should also not be required to attain (retain?) full 2A rights. If these classes are required to get/keep the right to keep and bear arms then they should be offered at no cost to any that wish to take them.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I agree and would add that shooting classes should also not be required to attain (retain?) full 2A rights. If these classes are required to get/keep the right to keep and bear arms then they should be offered at no cost to any that wish to take them.
    Good point. There are lots of classes that people could take that could be very beneficial including firearms safety and operations, child care and parenting, personal health management and other things. But we certainly cannot make them mandatory saying that you cannot have kids until you pass parenting class even though there would be some obvious upside. The downside of interfering with peoples private decisions is just to invasive.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Don't think it should be mandatory, but I have no problem with schools offering it voluntarily.

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think they could fit it in on the days they aren't learning to put a condom on a banana.
    The schools would likely use some sort of air or soft air weapons so, it wouldn't be like a student could go berserk and start killing people.

    We teach our children gun responsibility but, having the school reinforce is a bonus.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    The NRA has offered shooting safety classes to schools for years. Nothing new. It would be a great idea. But the left will shout it down like it always does.

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    The video wouldn't play on my phone, however the article stated the guy thinks people should get free ammo and guns paid for by the government.


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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think they could fit it in on the days they aren't learning to put a condom on a banana.
    Is that everything you learned at school?

    No maths? geography? physics? history? chemestry? biology?

    Did you flunk out at 13?
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Make shooting lessons mandatory at schools, this is what Bill Johnson has said in a video from NRA News.

    He said that kids are learning how to read and write and that these are deemed necessary skills, but if it were up to him (and I would assume the NRA or they would not have made this clip/released it) shooting would also be a skill that was learned at school from now on.

    But he goes one step further to thumb the NRA nose at parents who will not allow guns in the house or who are anti-guns, learning to shoot guns at school would become mandatory if a child wishes to advance to the next grade. In other words, if your kid (even though you are vehemently against guns) wants to go to the next grade at school he will have to complete a gun shooting course or he will be held back.

    I was aware that the second Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms, but now the NRA wants to force guns and shooting even upon children and parents who do not want to bear arms or to shoot arms.

    So the question is, how desirable is it to have mandatory gun lessons at school in order to advance to the next grade?

    I read this story on the website of a Dutch newspaper but an English version of this story can be found here NRA
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    I normally like Bill Johnson.

    Now, look. I watched the video to be absolutely fair. And I expected the article to be histrionic, because Bill Johnson is normally good -- as I said, I like him.

    I have been saying for years I think handling and safety gun classes should be a required part of the highschool curriculum, with an encouraged but optional shooting component.

    But this makes me bang my head into a wall. It's the typical American blindness to the real issue, which has been replaced with a fabricated one.

    To me, the issue is that we live in a society which has gun use and ownership as part of its culture. Everyone should be prepared for that at the very least in terms of being able to make sensible decisions when they are around guns, and having respect for weaponry. Looking at countries who do things like this shows they do have a better gun culture of safety. Those who do learn to shoot, which I think would be embraced by quite a few parents, would also help streamline the process of, say, a carry license when they are older.

    And I am not even necessarily riled by the idea of everyone owning a gun. I think it's kind of an ironic thing to require something that is supposedly a freedom -- a choice. But it's not that concept that bugs me.

    It's the complete absence of any mention of how to have a better gun culture, rather than how to just have more guns and more people who shoot.

    The point, to him, does not seem to be about teaching responsible gun culture, or making sure all adults are prepared to make wise choices in situations involving guns, or to simplify our gun ownership pathways and regulations.

    It seems to be purely a political move that says nothing but "shooting good!" and conformity rather than choice. "Gun required area"? Really?

    If you go into teaching kids about guns with that kind of attitude, you are going to fail to teach them the most important aspects of living in an armed society, or using a gun personally.

    It's not that the concept of what he's describing bugs me in and of itself. It's the complete lack of emphasis on solving actual problems.

    Here is the reality. In every country with high gun ownership and low gun crime, there are two things going on.

    Yes, there is some kind of mandatory training.

    But there is also a profound emphasis on respect and cohesion and, YES, regarding guns as dangerous because they ARE. I learned this in every kind of weaponry training I have ever done -- none of which are as potentially lethal as guns. Weapons ARE dangerous. You should respect them.

    The interesting thing about nearly every culture where guns are common or required that has low crime rates is that it requires the culture to see itself less in terms of fractured citizens defending their own turf, and more in terms of a people with a mutual contract of respect, for themselves, for others, for weaponry. That's the exact opposite of what we have in America, and Johnson's proposal will do absolutely nothing to solve that.

    It is not just about learning to shoot. We should never treat guns as simply an accessory. They're NOT. Guns are serious, like all weapons, and to try to downplay that seriousness will not lead to a better and more responsible gun culture.

    The deference for weaponry needs to come first -- before ANYTHING else, if we are ever going to solve not only our gun crime rates, but also our uninformed and fractured gun culture.

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Shooting classes should be offered, perhaps even encouraged, but certainly not mandatory.

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