View Poll Results: The NRA mandatory school shooting plan? Good idea or not a good idea?

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  • yes, no passing shooting grade and the child may not advance to the next grade

    3 6.52%
  • no, shooting lessons I totally support but it should not determine passing to the next grade

    19 41.30%
  • the NRA has completely/partly lost the plot

    5 10.87%
  • the NRA should get the Nobel peace prize for this idea

    2 4.35%
  • No, I am going to teach my kid myself how to shoot

    5 10.87%
  • No, shooting lessons have no place at schools

    19 41.30%
  • teaching potential young gangbangers better schooting skills is not a good idea

    6 13.04%
  • I have no kids

    3 6.52%
  • I do not care one way or another

    1 2.17%
  • other ........... (please explain

    5 10.87%
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    But I was not talking about the revolutionary wars, I was discussing the weapons most prevalent in the 50's/60's where there were not a whole of of semi automatic uzi's and weapons of that caliber around.
    You said explicitly that calibers are getting larger, that is absolutely false. First, the 9mm round has been around since 1902, invented by Luger and it is the same round used in the Uzi(first uses IDF, 1954). The .50 caliber round has been in use for over two centuries.

    I do not know what you are talking about. I was at least not talking about accidental shootings but that "youths" in the time I was talking about with Apacherat would never think about using the gun from their house in a regular fight whereas youths these days think the use of guns in fights is totally acceptable.
    Yes, that is also not the case, most kids are not killing each other with guns but in some areas yes it does happen. Most of the "kids" used in statistics are legal adults.



    Of course children should be taught traffic rules, driving is not something I think is the duty of the schools but most youths will be driving at some time in their youth and almost certainly most if not all kids will be having sex and preventing unwanted teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases is a good thing. A lot of people will not shot guns in their lives and if parents want their children to learn that they should do that outside of school.
    So that is the school's responsibility? But teaching general firearms safety is not? Consistency?
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    If the NRA is pushing any agenda, gun supporters on the right will be pressured to fall in line. If they don't, they risk political fall out and looking weak/soft on guns.

    The NRA knows it holds political power and such legislation will benefit them, gun manufactures, and the overall industry.

    My personal opinion is that I don't support the concept, nor do I see a benefit. I don't want my seven year old niece firing a gun and being responsible for a weapon. She can't even wash her hands properly. If kids are going to learn about firearms, it should involve parental supervision.

    Furthermore, putting guns in the.hands of some kids at some of.the city schools I went to, would be a horrible and stupid idea. I knew a girl who stabbed another girl in art class with a drafting compass.

    And the obvious question is, are any of these kids going to screened for mental illness, depression, or social issues before a teacher puts a gun in their hand?




    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Make shooting lessons mandatory at schools, this is what Bill Johnson has said in a video from NRA News.

    He said that kids are learning how to read and write and that these are deemed necessary skills, but if it were up to him (and I would assume the NRA or they would not have made this clip/released it) shooting would also be a skill that was learned at school from now on.

    But he goes one step further to thumb the NRA nose at parents who will not allow guns in the house or who are anti-guns, learning to shoot guns at school would become mandatory if a child wishes to advance to the next grade. In other words, if your kid (even though you are vehemently against guns) wants to go to the next grade at school he will have to complete a gun shooting course or he will be held back.

    I was aware that the second Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms, but now the NRA wants to force guns and shooting even upon children and parents who do not want to bear arms or to shoot arms.

    So the question is, how desirable is it to have mandatory gun lessons at school in order to advance to the next grade?

    I read this story on the website of a Dutch newspaper but an English version of this story can be found here NRA

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    If the NRA is pushing any agenda, gun supporters on the right will be pressured to fall in line. If they don't, they risk political fall out and looking weak/soft on guns.

    The NRA knows it holds political power and such legislation will benefit them, gun manufactures, and the overall industry.

    My personal opinion is that I don't support the concept, nor do I see a benefit. I don't want my seven year old niece firing a gun and being responsible for a weapon. She can't even wash her hands properly. If kids are going to learn about firearms, it should involve parental supervision.

    Furthermore, putting guns in the.hands of some kids at some of.the city schools I went to, would be a horrible and stupid idea. I knew a girl who stabbed another girl in art class with a drafting compass.

    And the obvious question is, are any of these kids going to screened for mental illness, depression, or social issues before a teacher puts a gun in their hand?
    If a 7 y/o can't even wash her hads, that's a whole other set of problems.

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    This is worse than a bad idea. This is an insult to civilization. We shouldn't be teaching children to kill.
    Really? Not even to survive? Lost in the wild? Eat bark till you die. Intruder? Comply and hope he only rapes you. Charging animal? Talk gently to it. Social unrest? On your knees and pray.

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Make shooting lessons mandatory at schools, this is what Bill Johnson has said in a video from NRA News.

    He said that kids are learning how to read and write and that these are deemed necessary skills, but if it were up to him (and I would assume the NRA or they would not have made this clip/released it) shooting would also be a skill that was learned at school from now on.

    But he goes one step further to thumb the NRA nose at parents who will not allow guns in the house or who are anti-guns, learning to shoot guns at school would become mandatory if a child wishes to advance to the next grade. In other words, if your kid (even though you are vehemently against guns) wants to go to the next grade at school he will have to complete a gun shooting course or he will be held back.

    I was aware that the second Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms, but now the NRA wants to force guns and shooting even upon children and parents who do not want to bear arms or to shoot arms.

    So the question is, how desirable is it to have mandatory gun lessons at school in order to advance to the next grade?

    I read this story on the website of a Dutch newspaper but an English version of this story can be found here NRA
    Well, that's actually a pretty stupid idea. There used to be rifle teams though; I as on one in high school. I'm for competition shooting as another sporting activity. There used to archery too, but I think they're both all gone now.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Really? Not even to survive? Lost in the wild? Eat bark till you die. Intruder? Comply and hope he only rapes you. Charging animal? Talk gently to it. Social unrest? On your knees and pray.
    Really.

    Training for all those things has a time and place but it's not in elementary school.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Really.

    Training for all those things has a time and place but it's not in elementary school.
    Why? I took my NRA training/safety course at my elementary school. I was 11. Learned lessons that I keep with me today.

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    WTF ... so all our children can grow up to be trained killers, ready to shoot some hooded black man in the head at moments notice? This country has gotten so scared of itself.. its complete bull****.

    The ones who act the toughest are the most scared.. its actually really funny.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Well, that's actually a pretty stupid idea. There used to be rifle teams though; I as on one in high school. I'm for competition shooting as another sporting activity. There used to archery too, but I think they're both all gone now.
    archery is making a big time comeback with what is called the NASP program which culminates in thousands of kids competing at a big national indoor in Louisville right after the huge NFAA Indoor concludes. college programs and clubs are on the rise as well

    I shot on a varsity college Shotgun team in the early 80s and the National Collegiate Skeet and Trap championships had more schools than say Gymnastics, Rowing, fencing and water polo. I think trap (the most popular) had several hundred competitors and when I took second in the international trap version, it was in a field of at least 250 shooters.



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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    I've long argued that we need to teach this just like another seriously dangerous activity that we allow young adults to participate in - driving. A basic firearms qualification course with certified, direct, personal instructors that teaches kids how to correctly handle firearms would reduce accidents across the populace as they aged, and also mitigate the weird phobia of some. I would support having some kind of licensing system that flowed from this (or a similar) course that was a precondition (for example) for a concealed-carry permit as well.

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