View Poll Results: The NRA mandatory school shooting plan? Good idea or not a good idea?

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  • yes, no passing shooting grade and the child may not advance to the next grade

    3 6.52%
  • no, shooting lessons I totally support but it should not determine passing to the next grade

    19 41.30%
  • the NRA has completely/partly lost the plot

    5 10.87%
  • the NRA should get the Nobel peace prize for this idea

    2 4.35%
  • No, I am going to teach my kid myself how to shoot

    5 10.87%
  • No, shooting lessons have no place at schools

    19 41.30%
  • teaching potential young gangbangers better schooting skills is not a good idea

    6 13.04%
  • I have no kids

    3 6.52%
  • I do not care one way or another

    1 2.17%
  • other ........... (please explain

    5 10.87%
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Thread: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    But in that time when kids were allowed to have BB guns times were a lot more simple. The police today is first going to shoot when they see someone with a gun like "weapon" and a BB gun looks somewhat like a gun.

    Schools have also changed, young adults/children have a lot more stress on schools in this day and age. Computers, mobile phones have also changed the lives of children completely. Schools have to concentrate on teaching kids the things the are going to need to succeed in their academic career and shooting guns does not seem like a good addition to the school curriculum.

    That at least is my opinion.

    And I was not saying that gun safety and learning to use guns safely is a bad thing. I even think it is a good thing and who knows it should maybe even be a mandatory thing. But the second amendment does not mean that schools need to start giving those kinds of gun lessons.
    Actually back during those days life wasn't that simple. As children we had to use our imagination on how to preoccupy our time. Boy or girl we didn't sit in front of a TV after school but were always outside doing something. When we out grew the Mattel Fanner Fifty we moved on to more lethal toys, designing and making guns that fired strips of tire inner tubes, a large rubber band gun. Or we blew up the garage with our chemistry sets. You get caught with one of those chemistry sets today, DHS would send in SWATT and they would label you a terrorist and off to GITMO.

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Learning all sorts of things does not have to include the shooting of guns.
    No, but it should, because children have a right to information which can help keep them safe. If even 1 parent won't teach their child about guns then that by itself is a mandate to put such a class in the curriculum.

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No, but it should, because children have a right to information which can help keep them safe. If even 1 parent won't teach their child about guns then that by itself is a mandate to put such a class in the curriculum.
    How is that going to work without becoming a "nanny state" which is what republicans always claim to be against?
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    How is that going to work without becoming a "nanny state" which is what republicans always claim to be against?
    Putting a 2-day class into the school year does not make a nanny-state regardles of what the class is about.

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Those kids are doing that about as much as they're being forced to learn to shoot guns right now, American.
    What, and here I heard it was part of the curriculum.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Next they will propose mandatory surgical implants of a gun in our hands, anything to sell more guns. It's the American way and it is killing us.
    Hyperbolic much?
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There are about 115 million households in America, and about 60 million of those households have guns... roughly half, or a bit more than half.


    Basic gun safety would benefit everyone, even those opposed to gun ownership. If their kid ever came across a gun elsewhere... the Eddie Eagle gun safety program for elementary school children has shown positive results in those districts that have tried it.
    Treat it kind of like sex education, automatic enrollment unless the parents sign an opt out waiver. That way parents who object are protected and those who like the idea have the option. School kids though should not have their future determined by either taking or passing the class though.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I would assume that gun ownership in that time was much more prevalent in the USA, even though the number of guns and the caliber of guns used would have been much lower.
    You do realize that caliber sizes have gone up and down through the years right? Many of the ball ammunition types from the Revolutionary days were actually larger than most modern calibers, it wasn't unheard of for many black powder rifles to fire .54 and .60 caliber rounds. The .40 caliber is a relatively new round and smaller than the .45ACP or .44 magnum rounds. The 9mm and .357 magnum are among the most popular rounds currently with the former being close in dimensions to the .38.

    And in that time people would not think about using guns even though their parents might own a gun, children in that time listened to their parents a lot better. There is a multitude of reasons youths these days think using firearms in fights is OK, but it has nothing to do with political correctness or kids not being taught to shoot at schools.
    This is just not correct, accidental shootings are at an all time low. It has also been pointed out a lot of the "children" involved in these "shoot first" examples were in gangs and were between the ages of approx. 18-25.
    And I am not saying that kids should not learn gun safety, I just do not think that schools are the appropriate place for it as part of the school curriculum or that the shooting itself may take place at the schools. I think that would best be done as an extra curricular activity off campus and not on school property.
    So where is the line? Should schools teach driving and sex education? Should schools invite motivational speakers or other folks that a message may or may not comply with what parents feel is right for their child?
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You do realize that caliber sizes have gone up and down through the years right? Many of the ball ammunition types from the Revolutionary days were actually larger than most modern calibers, it wasn't unheard of for many black powder rifles to fire .54 and .60 caliber rounds. The .40 caliber is a relatively new round and smaller than the .45ACP or .44 magnum rounds. The 9mm and .357 magnum are among the most popular rounds currently with the former being close in dimensions to the .38.
    But I was not talking about the revolutionary wars, I was discussing the weapons most prevalent in the 50's/60's where there were not a whole of of semi automatic uzi's and weapons of that caliber around.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    This is just not correct, accidental shootings are at an all time low. It has also been pointed out a lot of the "children" involved in these "shoot first" examples were in gangs and were between the ages of approx. 18-25.
    I do not know what you are talking about. I was at least not talking about accidental shootings but that "youths" in the time I was talking about with Apacherat would never think about using the gun from their house in a regular fight whereas youths these days think the use of guns in fights is totally acceptable.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    So where is the line? Should schools teach driving and sex education? Should schools invite motivational speakers or other folks that a message may or may not comply with what parents feel is right for their child?
    Of course children should be taught traffic rules, driving is not something I think is the duty of the schools but most youths will be driving at some time in their youth and almost certainly most if not all kids will be having sex and preventing unwanted teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases is a good thing. A lot of people will not shot guns in their lives and if parents want their children to learn that they should do that outside of school.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    I've taught children as young as 4 the basics of safe gunhandling and marksmanship; I've also declined to teach some kids that were not, IMO, ready for it, even though they were a bit older.

    The Eddie Eagle NRA program is suitable for all ages and enhances safety; however most districts refuse to implement it due to hate for the NRA.

    Any youth who isn't fit (mature) to learn basic marksmanship by age 16 or 17 is a sad sack indeed, and the parents ought to be slapped. A car is more dangerous than a gun.

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