View Poll Results: The NRA mandatory school shooting plan? Good idea or not a good idea?

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  • yes, no passing shooting grade and the child may not advance to the next grade

    3 6.52%
  • no, shooting lessons I totally support but it should not determine passing to the next grade

    19 41.30%
  • the NRA has completely/partly lost the plot

    5 10.87%
  • the NRA should get the Nobel peace prize for this idea

    2 4.35%
  • No, I am going to teach my kid myself how to shoot

    5 10.87%
  • No, shooting lessons have no place at schools

    19 41.30%
  • teaching potential young gangbangers better schooting skills is not a good idea

    6 13.04%
  • I have no kids

    3 6.52%
  • I do not care one way or another

    1 2.17%
  • other ........... (please explain

    5 10.87%
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think they could fit it in on the days they aren't learning to put a condom on a banana.
    Those kids are doing that about as much as they're being forced to learn to shoot guns right now, American.

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Train the militia, aka the army as it is known now. Forcing children is not training the militia.
    The Army is not the militia. See Title32 USC.

    Schools are already forcing children to learn all sorts of things, so it's to late to try to argue that.

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    As far as I am concerned...the NRA national leadership generally service the gun/ammo manufacturers.
    Those manufacturers make a product I would like to keep perfectly legal for everyone to own & carry, so I'm ok with that.

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The Army is not the militia. See Title32 USC.

    Schools are already forcing children to learn all sorts of things, so it's to late to try to argue that.
    Learning all sorts of things does not have to include the shooting of guns. That at least is my opinion. It is purely the rights of parents to decide about that issue, not the government.

    And now I am going to have to be silent because there is a minute of silence in progress.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Don't agree with mandatory, don't agree with making a grade dependent on it... but I do agree with teaching Basic Gun Safety to all kids, and Basic Gun Handling 101 in HS to those who are interested.
    ^^ this.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Make shooting lessons mandatory at schools, this is what Bill Johnson has said in a video from NRA News.

    He said that kids are learning how to read and write and that these are deemed necessary skills, but if it were up to him (and I would assume the NRA or they would not have made this clip/released it) shooting would also be a skill that was learned at school from now on.

    But he goes one step further to thumb the NRA nose at parents who will not allow guns in the house or who are anti-guns, learning to shoot guns at school would become mandatory if a child wishes to advance to the next grade. In other words, if your kid (even though you are vehemently against guns) wants to go to the next grade at school he will have to complete a gun shooting course or he will be held back.

    I was aware that the second Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms, but now the NRA wants to force guns and shooting even upon children and parents who do not want to bear arms or to shoot arms.

    So the question is, how desirable is it to have mandatory gun lessons at school in order to advance to the next grade?

    I read this story on the website of a Dutch newspaper but an English version of this story can be found here NRA
    A number of countries (especially those where military service is considered to be mandatory), already do this. Switzerland is probably the best example of them.

    While I don't think this is "necessary" per se, I really wouldn't see the harm either. Shooting can be a very useful skill.

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Classes in shooting guns should NOT be mandatory. This is purely a political move by a group which has seen firearm ownership drop as a share of the American population and is desperate to get it up again. The NRA became a increasingly political organization after the 1977 Cincinnati revolt with a sharp turn to the right. They are concerned about their political power and see this as a step to protect it.

    When I taught government for three decades, I always made it a part of the lesson on the Second Amendment to urge any student interested in owning a gun to take advantage of the NRA classes in firearms ownership and use. And many did. But this should be voluntary and outside of the normal school system.
    As usual, Haymarket, I agree with you about 99% . Classes in shooting and proper use of firearms MUST be outside the school ..Maybe tied in with the Boy Scouts . My daughter, like .. 90% I guess, was bought up in a gun free zone ..but NOTHING was ever said , positive or negative ...This is the way I think things should be ..

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I would assume that gun ownership in that time was much more prevalent in the USA, even though the number of guns and the caliber of guns used would have been much lower.
    And in that time people would not think about using guns even though their parents might own a gun, children in that time listened to their parents a lot better. There is a multitude of reasons youths these days think using firearms in fights is OK, but it has nothing to do with political correctness or kids not being taught to shoot at schools.

    And I am not saying that kids should not learn gun safety, I just do not think that schools are the appropriate place for it as part of the school curriculum or that the shooting itself may take place at the schools. I think that would best be done as an extra curricular activity off campus and not on school property.
    Back during the day, the caliber of rifles and handguns that most Americans preferred were larger. Full power 30-06 rifle cartridge and .45 ACP or .45 Long Colt for handguns. It wasn't until recently that Americans dumbed down to pantywaist intermediate rifle cartridges like the 5.56 or the Europeans pea shooter 9 mm.

    In many American cities that are in blue states, the BB gun has been outlawed. Just about every boy during my generation owned a Daisy Red Ryder BB rifle during his pre teen years.

    Som liberal cities have outlawed toy guns. Even little one inch toy soldiers are banned from being sold in toy stores in some progressive municpalities.

    This NRA program has been very sucessfull in the schools.

    Eddie Eagle GunSafe

    What is The Eddie Eagle GunSafeŽ Program?

    The Eddie Eagle GunSafeŽ Program teaches children in pre-K through third grade four important steps to take if they find a gun. These steps are presented by the program's mascot, Eddie Eagle, in an easy-to-remember format consisting of the following simple rules:

    If you see a gun:

    STOP!
    Don't Touch.
    Leave the Area.
    Tell an Adult.


    Begun in 1988, The Eddie Eagle GunSafeŽ Program has reached more than 26 million children - in all 50 states. This program was developed through the combined efforts of such qualified professionals as clinical psychologists, reading specialists, teachers, curriculum specialists, urban housing safety officials, and law enforcement personnel.

    Anyone may teach The Eddie Eagle GunSafeŽ Program, and NRA membership is not required. The program may be readily incorporated into existing school curriculum, taught in a one- to five-day format, and used to reach both levels or simply one or two grades. Materials available through this program are: student workbooks, 7-minute animated DVD, instructor guides, brochures, and student reward stickers. Program materials are also available in Spanish.

    The NRA is committed to helping keep America's young children safe. In efforts to do so, we offer our program at a nominal fee. Schools, law enforcement agencies, hospitals, daycare centers, and libraries may be eligible to receive grant funding to defray program costs. Grant funding is available in many states to these groups to cover the cost of all program curriculum materials.

    The purpose of the Eddie Eagle Program isn't to teach whether guns are good or bad, but rather to promote the protection and safety of children. The program makes no value judgments about firearms, and no firearms are ever used in the program. Like swimming pools, electrical outlets, matchbooks and household poison, they're treated simply as a fact of everyday life. With firearms found in about half of all American households, it's a stance that makes sense.

    Eddie Eagle is never shown touching a firearm, and he does not promote firearm ownership or use. The program prohibits the use of Eddie Eagle mascots anywhere that guns are present. The Eddie Eagle Program has no agenda other than accident prevention - ensuring that children stay safe should they encounter a gun. The program never mentions the NRA. Nor does it encourage children to buy guns or to become NRA members. The NRA does not receive any appropriations from Congress, nor is it a trade organization. It is not affiliated with any firearm or ammunition manufacturers or with any businesses that deal in guns and ammunition.

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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Back during the day, the caliber of rifles and handguns that most Americans preferred were larger. Full power 30-06 rifle cartridge and .45 ACP or .45 Long Colt for handguns. It wasn't until recently that Americans dumbed down to pantywaist intermediate rifle cartridges like the 5.56 or the Europeans pea shooter 9 mm.

    In many American cities that are in blue states, the BB gun has been outlawed. Just about every boy during my generation owned a Daisy Red Ryder BB rifle during his pre teen years.

    Som liberal cities have outlawed toy guns. Even little one inch toy soldiers are banned from being sold in toy stores in some progressive municpalities.

    This NRA program has been very sucessfull in the schools.

    Eddie Eagle GunSafe

    What is The Eddie Eagle GunSafeŽ Program?

    The Eddie Eagle GunSafeŽ Program teaches children in pre-K through third grade four important steps to take if they find a gun. These steps are presented by the program's mascot, Eddie Eagle, in an easy-to-remember format consisting of the following simple rules:

    If you see a gun:

    STOP!
    Don't Touch.
    Leave the Area.
    Tell an Adult.


    Begun in 1988, The Eddie Eagle GunSafeŽ Program has reached more than 26 million children - in all 50 states. This program was developed through the combined efforts of such qualified professionals as clinical psychologists, reading specialists, teachers, curriculum specialists, urban housing safety officials, and law enforcement personnel.

    Anyone may teach The Eddie Eagle GunSafeŽ Program, and NRA membership is not required. The program may be readily incorporated into existing school curriculum, taught in a one- to five-day format, and used to reach both levels or simply one or two grades. Materials available through this program are: student workbooks, 7-minute animated DVD, instructor guides, brochures, and student reward stickers. Program materials are also available in Spanish.

    The NRA is committed to helping keep America's young children safe. In efforts to do so, we offer our program at a nominal fee. Schools, law enforcement agencies, hospitals, daycare centers, and libraries may be eligible to receive grant funding to defray program costs. Grant funding is available in many states to these groups to cover the cost of all program curriculum materials.

    The purpose of the Eddie Eagle Program isn't to teach whether guns are good or bad, but rather to promote the protection and safety of children. The program makes no value judgments about firearms, and no firearms are ever used in the program. Like swimming pools, electrical outlets, matchbooks and household poison, they're treated simply as a fact of everyday life. With firearms found in about half of all American households, it's a stance that makes sense.

    Eddie Eagle is never shown touching a firearm, and he does not promote firearm ownership or use. The program prohibits the use of Eddie Eagle mascots anywhere that guns are present. The Eddie Eagle Program has no agenda other than accident prevention - ensuring that children stay safe should they encounter a gun. The program never mentions the NRA. Nor does it encourage children to buy guns or to become NRA members. The NRA does not receive any appropriations from Congress, nor is it a trade organization. It is not affiliated with any firearm or ammunition manufacturers or with any businesses that deal in guns and ammunition.

    Eddie Eagle GunSafe|Eddie Eagle GunSafe
    But in that time when kids were allowed to have BB guns times were a lot more simple. The police today is first going to shoot when they see someone with a gun like "weapon" and a BB gun looks somewhat like a gun.

    Schools have also changed, young adults/children have a lot more stress on schools in this day and age. Computers, mobile phones have also changed the lives of children completely. Schools have to concentrate on teaching kids the things the are going to need to succeed in their academic career and shooting guns does not seem like a good addition to the school curriculum.

    That at least is my opinion.

    And I was not saying that gun safety and learning to use guns safely is a bad thing. I even think it is a good thing and who knows it should maybe even be a mandatory thing. But the second amendment does not mean that schools need to start giving those kinds of gun lessons.
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    Re: Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Make shooting lessons mandatory at schools, this is what Bill Johnson has said in a video from NRA News.

    He said that kids are learning how to read and write and that these are deemed necessary skills, but if it were up to him (and I would assume the NRA or they would not have made this clip/released it) shooting would also be a skill that was learned at school from now on.

    But he goes one step further to thumb the NRA nose at parents who will not allow guns in the house or who are anti-guns, learning to shoot guns at school would become mandatory if a child wishes to advance to the next grade. In other words, if your kid (even though you are vehemently against guns) wants to go to the next grade at school he will have to complete a gun shooting course or he will be held back.

    I was aware that the second Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms, but now the NRA wants to force guns and shooting even upon children and parents who do not want to bear arms or to shoot arms.

    So the question is, how desirable is it to have mandatory gun lessons at school in order to advance to the next grade?

    I read this story on the website of a Dutch newspaper but an English version of this story can be found here NRA
    Next they will propose mandatory surgical implants of a gun in our hands, anything to sell more guns. It's the American way and it is killing us.

    The United States has the highest gun ownership rate in the world and the highest per capita rate of firearm-related murders of all developed countries
    Gun homicides and gun ownership by country - The Washington Post

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