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    Re: When do You Think Marijuana Will be Legal in All 50 States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    "We must protect the people from themselves!"

    That sounds like the words of a statist Democrat rather than an individualist conservative.
    Uhm, no.

    Conservatives believe in the rule of law. Try not to confuse my position with that of a Libertarian.

    When it comes down to it, it's about the infringement of personal liberties.

    I don't want to raise my family in a society that's inundated with stoned losers. I feel their " right " to pickle their brains on a daily basis infringes upon my rights to live in a society where my family and I are not surrounded by people under the influence.
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    People have been brainwashed on the issue

    Politicians will be pressed to answer the marijuana question. No more fence sitting. Answer our questions on marijuana NOW.
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    Re: When do You Think Marijuana Will be Legal in All 50 States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Uhm, no.

    Conservatives believe in the rule of law. Try not to confuse my position with that of a Libertarian.

    When it comes down to it, it's about the infringement of personal liberties.

    I don't want to raise my family in a society that's inundated with stoned losers. I feel their " right " to pickle their brains on a daily basis infringes upon my rights to live in a society where my family and I are not surrounded by people under the influence.

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    Re: When do You Think Marijuana Will be Legal in All 50 States?

    Quote Originally Posted by SpectateSwamp View Post
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    You are clueless
    Brilliant rebuttal !!

    So well thought out and just choked full of relevant information and objective resources......

    I'm guessing you smoke weed then ? Cool dude....actually it's not cool, it's a self destructive crutch and nothing to brag about.

    Again, why should your desire to kill as many brain cells as possible on a daily basis infringe upon my right to NOT live in a Society inundated with people who are under the influence ?

    I wan't my kids to grow up in a Nation filled with intellectuals and motivated individuals, not a Nation filled with people who're routinely intellectually compromised by their own doing.

    I would like to see America's Space and Science endeavors grow, not recede because stoners dishonestly manufactured a narrative that Weed was not only beneficial but that it was " medicine "

    The problem with the push to legalize is that it removes a needed and very important stigma and replaces it with lies and misinformation.
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    Re: When do You Think Marijuana Will be Legal in All 50 States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Uhm, no.

    Conservatives believe in the rule of law.
    That is such a blanket and meaningless statement. If that were true then they wouldn't be so opposed to the ACA.


    Try not to confuse my position with that of a Libertarian.
    And yet, conservatives make libertarian arguments all the time. "Keep the government's hand's off my property" "Government takes too much of my money" etc. Do those sound like libertarian or "rule of law" statements?


    When it comes down to it, it's about the infringement of personal liberties.
    And what I put in my body does not infringe upon anyone else's personal liberty.


    I don't want to raise my family in a society that's inundated with stoned losers.
    You don't have to agree with how they live their lives. You are always free to move to communities that endorse clean living.


    I feel their " right " to pickle their brains on a daily basis infringes upon my rights to live in a society where my family and I are not surrounded by people under the influence.
    I don't want to live in a society where people are dumbed down by 24 hr 'news', reality shows, and get obese through fast food. Yet I do. And I'd be damned if some politician wanted to come along and ban those things. Freedom is about being able to make the wrong choices as well as the right ones.
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    Re: When do You Think Marijuana Will be Legal in All 50 States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    That is such a blanket and meaningless statement. If that were true then they wouldn't be so opposed to the ACA.
    It's true, we do.

    As for BAD LAWS, we reserve the right to critique them, to expose them and to hold the people accountable who voted for that law when it was a Bill.

    And eventually, we can elect politicians who will either fix the broken law or remove it entirely.




    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    And yet, conservatives make libertarian arguments all the time. "Keep the government's hand's off my property" "Government takes too much of my money" etc. Do those sound like libertarian or "rule of law" statements?
    Again, don't confuse me with a Libertarian. I'm a Conservative and a Capitalist who believes strongly in private property rights.

    I don't ' need " the Government to protect my property. I'm well capable of doing that myself.




    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    And what I put in my body does not infringe upon anyone else's personal liberty.
    Wrong.

    Substance abuse doesn't just effect the addict, it affects those who are closest to the addict like Family and it has a overall negative affect on our society as a whole.

    The effects of Substance abuse leads to poverty, crime and the construction of more prisons as people under the influence continue to make poor choices whether it's because they're High or because they want to get high.

    All that cost tax payers more of the hard earned income one way or the other, and it's the people who've chosen to make the right choices who wind up paying for the poor choices of the addict.

    Drug addicts are VERY selfish.




    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    You don't have to agree with how they live their lives. You are always free to move to communities that endorse clean living
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    Your'e right, but I'm not so naive to think that their problem stops in their living room, or under the overpass, or in a back alley.

    The only thing that's changed over the years concerning marijuana is its potency. Thanks to hydroponics it's gotten far more potent, and far more destructive.

    It's still a BAD IDEA to smoke it, it still stunts you intellectually and emotionally and it's still and addiction. The new false narrative that it's somehow " healthy. or medicinal " ( Lol....Drug addicts are Physicians all of the sudden ) hasn't changed the fact that it's a harmful chemical.

    The comparison to alcohol argument is irrelevant. When it comes down to it, your'e trying to legalize the use of a harmful chemical that isn't even being regulated by Physicians even though it's being sold as " medicine "

    People are eating Pot confections that are getting them High enough to cause mild hallucinations ( and sometimes not so mild ) and this chemical can be bought over the counter in some States. Sold by people who are High themselves.

    Man have Americans gotten stupid or what ?




    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I don't want to live in a society where people are dumbed down by 24 hr 'news', reality shows, and get obese through fast food. Yet I do. And I'd be damned if some politician wanted to come along and ban those things. Freedom is about being able to make the wrong choices as well as the right ones.
    Watching 24 hour news shows or reality television ( I agree, I can't stand Reality shows, would much rather spend my off time reading, or playing Chess with strangers on my Mobile phone ) won't impair your judgment to the point of being a danger to others.

    I can still drive or operate heavy machinery after watching television.

    As for the claim that Marijuana doesn't impair you cognitively ? It's effects on young and developing minds are disastrous.
    Study: Young Adults’ Casual Marijuana Use Causes Brain Changes | CommonHealth
    And it's legal....friken unreal...
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    Re: When do You Think Marijuana Will be Legal in All 50 States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Uhm, no.

    Conservatives believe in the rule of law. Try not to confuse my position with that of a Libertarian.

    When it comes down to it, it's about the infringement of personal liberties.

    I don't want to raise my family in a society that's inundated with stoned losers. I feel their " right " to pickle their brains on a daily basis infringes upon my rights to live in a society where my family and I are not surrounded by people under the influence.
    Now who gave you the right to define the characteristics people in your society? What if Bob doesn't want to live with black people? Or Sally with christians? Or Kyle with conservatives?

    This cuts both ways, are you saying that the feelings of any citizen should overrule the right of someone to their own body?
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    Re: When do You Think Marijuana Will be Legal in All 50 States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    It's true, we do.

    As for BAD LAWS, we reserve the right to critique them, to expose them and to hold the people accountable who voted for that law when it was a Bill.
    And I consider pot laws to be very bad laws. Therefore I will critique them, expose them, and hold the people accountable who favor them.

    And eventually, we can elect politicians who will either fix the broken law or remove it entirely.
    Fortunately, we are now electing politicians on the Left and Right who see pot laws as doing more harm than good.






    Again, don't confuse me with a Libertarian. I'm a Conservative and a Capitalist who believes strongly in private property rights.
    Pssshhh, if you believed in property rights then you would not be for the government confiscating a man's plant.

    I don't ' need " the Government to protect my property. I'm well capable of doing that myself.
    Then you must not see much use for our military.



    Wrong.

    Substance abuse doesn't just effect the addict, it affects those who are closest to the addict like Family and it has a overall negative affect on our society as a whole.
    What a silly argument. Any action can negatively or positively impact those around the individual. This includes legal actions such as gambling, drinking, poor diet, etc. A very very weak argument.


    All that cost tax payers more of the hard earned income one way or the other, and it's the people who've chosen to make the right choices who wind up paying for the poor choices of the addict.
    Once again, many legal actions can lead down these roads. We are spending billions now on a War on Drugs we could never win. It has only made things worse by forcing the market to go underground.

    Drug addicts are VERY selfish.
    Marijuana is not physically addictive. And certainly less addictive in general than alcohol.


    The only thing that's changed over the years concerning marijuana is its potency. Thanks to hydroponics it's gotten far more potent, and far more destructive.
    If legalized, it can be properly regulated. When alcohol was made illegal its toxicity increased, as well. Things are a lot better when alcohol is legal, don't you agree?

    It's still a BAD IDEA to smoke it,
    I never said it was a good idea. But that's freedom.


    The comparison to alcohol argument is irrelevant. When it comes down to it, your'e trying to legalize the use of a harmful chemical that isn't even being regulated by Physicians even though it's being sold as " medicine "
    Evidence it isn't regulated?

    Man have Americans gotten stupid or what ?
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    Re: When do You Think Marijuana Will be Legal in All 50 States?

    I say 10 years.

    Alaska, DC, and Oregon have ballot initiatives for rec use, full legalization, while FL and Guam are seeking medical usage.

    I see all 5 passing this year, bringing it to 10%+ of States and territories.. Once the revenue is reported you can expect upwards of 10 States in 2016 to have it on the ballot. Then it's open season.

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    Re: When do You Think Marijuana Will be Legal in All 50 States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    And I consider pot laws to be very bad laws. Therefore I will critique them, expose them, and hold the people accountable who favor them.
    Sure, why not ?



    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Fortunately, we are now electing politicians on the Left and Right who see pot laws as doing more harm than good.
    Uh huh.....

    Legal pot blamed for some of influx of homeless in Denver this summer - The Denver Post


    Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled CBS Seattle

    AGAIN, the damage of drug addiction isn't limited to the drug addict. And these so called politicians you speak of will soon realize the stupidity of their actions as these problems grow.







    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Pssshhh, if you believed in property rights then you would not be for the government confiscating a man's plant.
    It's not about " a plant " is it ? No, that's a purposefully simplified argument to justify inundating communities with a harmful chemical.

    Papaver sominiferum poppy varieties are also illegal to grow in your garden. They should be yanked too,



    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Then you must not see much use for our military.
    I'll cross that bridge when the Soviets or Chinese invade and make a B-line for my house with the intention of taking it from me.

    Until then, I'm well capable of protecting my property.






    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    What a silly argument. Any action can negatively or positively impact those around the individual. This includes legal actions such as gambling, drinking, poor diet, etc. A very very weak argument.
    No, SILLY is equating a hallucinogenic Chemical ( THC ) to over eating and playing poker. It's not just silly, it's absurd.




    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Once again, many legal actions can lead down these roads. We are spending billions now on a War on Drugs we could never win. It has only made things worse by forcing the market to go underground
    It cost money to enforce laws. The Whole " the drug war has failed " false narrative makes the ridiculous assertion that law enforcement could and would wipe out 100 % of the illegal activities it's designed to limit.

    We fund our law enforcement agencies to stop car thieves, home burglaries, credit card fraud, speeding, property destruction, the list is endless, but I haven't heard one person tell me " the war on robbery " or " grand theft auto ' has failed.



    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Marijuana is not physically addictive. And certainly less addictive in general than alcohol.
    You can be an addict without being physically addicted to something. I wasn't designed to walk around cognitively limited with a head full of fog on a daily basis.

    I enjoy being sharp, and having the full use of my intellectual capabilities. I like the fact that I can remember what I just read, and I like to challenge people in a nice game of online chess. I guarantee if I made the stupid decision to smoke weed, I wouldn't be able to do the things I enjoy doing because of being impaired.

    Why someone would chose otherwise is a testament to the destructive power of addiction.




    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    If legalized, it can be properly regulated. When alcohol was made illegal its toxicity increased, as well. Things are a lot better when alcohol is legal, don't you agree?
    I'm not very confident that even with strict regulation legalization is a good idea.

    Like I said, the Pot of today is not the pot I smoked in College in the 90's, or the pot my Dad smoked in the 60"s. It has much higher concentrations of THC in it, and I think in time, the States that chose to go off the deep end and legalize it will change their mind and make it illegal again.



    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I never said it was a good idea. But that's freedom.
    No, that's not " freedom ". By your definition of Freedom we shouldn't stop at just marijuana, we should legalize everything else.

    Well, then your'e infringing upon the freedom of people who wan't to raise their children in a twisted society with zero drug laws.




    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Evidence it isn't regulated?
    Uhm, you can go into a shop in Denver, buy a " candy bar " loaded with High grade pot, and woof it down not knowing you just consumed 10 times the suggested amount.

    You get to sped the next 10 hours in a reality totally twisted by one hallucination after another. A guy in Colorado jumped to his death after doing this very thing.



    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Man was always stupid.
    Well, you and I agree on that.

    But it's the least we can do to try to create and maintain communities that offer the best chance of success for the generation that follows ours.

    Legalizing Pot just condemned IMO, untold amounts of young people who may have chosen to become educated and productive citizens.
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