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Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sams?

Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sams?

  • Agree

    Votes: 24 77.4%
  • disagree

    Votes: 7 22.6%

  • Total voters
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Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Kearse IS a beast which is why offered half of his sack count in what is often called a 'counter offer' to the friendly wager in what I assume was a friendly and rather light hearted discussion Donc and I were having. Then, you did what you always do...wade in with your prissy little bitchy drama queen act. Geeeeeezus...you must be a ****ing drag in bars and at parties. Are you even CAPABLE of being normal?

Seven sacks is a totally unrealistic expectation for a seventh round pick.

Your blatant personal attack is duly noted.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

1-no teams draft converted offensive lineman EVER to be special teams specialists, and 2-his pass rushing was one of his weakest playing points.

Now that Kobie did what Kobie always does and **** on a perfectly friendly conversation...

A 'pass rushing specialist' sack count of 6 then? deal?

Don,t mean it wont work.He's going against undrafted Ethan Westbrooks.UNDRAFTED?Hey, coach Jeff Fisher and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams seem to think thatta work but who knows whatta work?According to the STL today "Sams showed promise in blocking drills and is quicker since dropping a few pounds since OTAs. ":2wave:
 
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Don,t mean it wont work.He's going against undrafted Ethan Westbrooks.UNDRAFTED?Hey, coach Jeff Fisher and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams seem to think thatta work but who knows whatta work?According to the STL today "Sams showed promise in blocking drills and is quicker since dropping a few pounds since OTAs. ":2wave:
So...5 then? :)
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

HAd Michael Sams come out and said "BTW...I'm gay. Now...game on" I dont think anyone would have had too much concern. Unfortunately he made it a spectacle not by his announcement but by his follow on actions. Dood hasnt even reported to training camp and he signed on to do a "reality" show. He and his handlers went out of their way to make this be about everything BUT the game. Thats the kind of distraction that has been mentioned and it is the same kind of freak show mentality that Johnny Manziel brought with him.

A reporter did a breakdown of Sams the day after he came out as being gay. What the film showed was that he was undersized, lacked speed, didnt have a strong pass rushing presence. They also broke down his play against those players that would not be even considered as an NFL prospect vs those that were NFL caliber college players. Results..beast mode against the first group, zip against the second. "A majority of his production came in three games against inferior competition without a need to show much of a pass-rushing repertoire. He doesn’t show much of what the NFL looks for on special teams, and it’s difficult to project a position for him on the next level. For those reasons, Sam would project to be no better than a mid- to late-round pick. He could go undrafted."

And thats from a guy that likes him and thinks he actually could make it on the right team with the right set of circumstances.

First of all, Sam reported to training camp on time. You're just totally incorrect about him not reporting. Don't say **** that isn't true in order to vilify the guy for **** he has not done.

Second, he didn't make any spectacle of his coming out. He signed on for a reality show, yes, but then Fisher kiboshed it and he went along with his coaches decision. There's no spectacle there.

There was nothing at all untoward about what Sam has done since he came out. Despite all of the media attention, he's actually handled himself very well. Just ask his coach. The guy he listened to when he backed out of the reality show.

As far as deciding to do the reality show goes, good for Sam. lots of NFL players have been doing reality TV lately, but nobody has agreed to do one that was so socially important before sam. Most of those shows have been freakshows (Remember Chad Johnson's relaity show?), whereas sam's was intended to be inspirational to a marginalized population of people in the US.

****, the NFL itself has a reality show.

I'll take that reality show over Hard Knocks any day of the week.

Don't lie about Sam's actions simply because you want to demonize him. The guy has been stand-up and respectable the whole time.

You want to know the real thing that would make it so that there was no media attention surrounding Sam playing in the NFL? If every single homophobic douchebag in the world just kill themselves.

See, if you get rid of the homophobic douchebags in the world, the issue wouldn't be an issue because nobody would feel the need to hide the fact that they are gay and, as such, all of the existing gay players in the NFL would simply come out and admit they are gay without any fears of being demononized or blackballed by homophobic douchebags.

Sadly, the homophobes aren't going to kill themselves, so we have a media spectacle attached to someone being courageous enough to be the first openly gay player in the NFL.

The truth is, Sam DID say "Hey I'm gay, let's get to work" but the homophobes aren't capable of accepting that, so they make up lies in order to pretend he didn't.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Yep..THATS what teams are always looking for. Special teams players.

With 7th round picks? Absolutely. That's exactly what gets a 7th rounder his job. I mean that quite literally. Go find an NFL exec and ask him what they are looking for in a 7th round pick and they will say "We want a guy who can contribute on special teams and potentially serve as a solid backup/role player".
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

First of all, Sam reported to training camp on time. You're just totally incorrect about him not reporting. Don't say **** that isn't true in order to vilify the guy for **** he has not done.

Second, he didn't make any spectacle of his coming out. He signed on for a reality show, yes, but then Fisher kiboshed it and he went along with his coaches decision. There's no spectacle there.

There was nothing at all untoward about what Sam has done since he came out. Despite all of the media attention, he's actually handled himself very well. Just ask his coach. The guy he listened to when he backed out of the reality show.

As far as deciding to do the reality show goes, good for Sam. lots of NFL players have been doing reality TV lately, but nobody has agreed to do one that was so socially important before sam. Most of those shows have been freakshows (Remember Chad Johnson's relaity show?), whereas sam's was intended to be inspirational to a marginalized population of people in the US.

****, the NFL itself has a reality show.

I'll take that reality show over Hard Knocks any day of the week.

Don't lie about Sam's actions simply because you want to demonize him. The guy has been stand-up and respectable the whole time.

You want to know the real thing that would make it so that there was no media attention surrounding Sam playing in the NFL? If every single homophobic douchebag in the world just kill themselves.

See, if you get rid of the homophobic douchebags in the world, the issue wouldn't be an issue because nobody would feel the need to hide the fact that they are gay and, as such, all of the existing gay players in the NFL would simply come out and admit they are gay without any fears of being demononized or blackballed by homophobic douchebags.

Sadly, the homophobes aren't going to kill themselves, so we have a media spectacle attached to someone being courageous enough to be the first openly gay player in the NFL.

The truth is, Sam DID say "Hey I'm gay, let's get to work" but the homophobes aren't capable of accepting that, so they make up lies in order to pretend he didn't.
Geeeeeezus you are as desperate to find homophobia as Kobie is. I never said he hadnt reported to training camp...what I said was that "Dood hasnt even reported to training camp and he signed on to do a "reality" show". WHEN did he sign for a reality show? BEFORE he had even reported to training camp. WHY did the coach put the kibosh on the reality show? BECAUSE it would have been a spectacle and an unnecessary distraction.

And then of course you just skipped over the actual football related things...because really...all you want to see is homophobic douchebags. Theres a pretty good skit for people that are desperate to find homophobes...

 
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Geeeeeezus you are as desperate to find homophobia as Kobie is. I never said he hadnt reported to training camp...what I said was that "Dood hasnt even reported to training camp and he signed on to do a "reality" show". WHEN did he sign for a reality show? BEFORE he had even reported to training camp. WHY did the coach put the kibosh on the reality show? BECAUSE it would have been a spectacle and an unnecessary distraction.

And then of course you just skipped over the actual football related things...because really...all you want to see is homophobic douchebags. Theres a pretty good skit for people that are desperate to find homophobes...



I'm not to blame for your terrible sentence structure. When you say "Dood hasnt even reported to training camp and he signed on to do a "reality" show." That means that he has not reported to training camp. As in present ****ing tense. Learn how tyo write before you take umbrage to people being competent at reading.

And of course he signed up for the reality show BEFORE he showed up for camp. He was literally unable to show up for camp any time prior to signing the reality show because it was done months before training camp could be reported to. the two things are completely unrelated.

And ask ANY 7th round pick if he wants to make some money doing a reality show and he'll probably say yes, provided he's not an idiot. In the NFL there are no guaranteed contracts and 7th rounders are always at risk of being cut. He's smart to try and make money.

I mean, were you outraged by this reality show: Broncos WR Eric Decker and country singer fiancee land reality show - CBSSports.com

Probably not.


And the reason I ignored your "football-related things" is becasue you didn't even realize that 7th rounders are taken in order to be special teams contributors, and that's common ****ing knowledge that anyone with any knowledge of the draft process is aware of. The fact of the matter is that you DON'T have any football related things as you are not knowledgeable enough of how the NFL works in order to have any such things. You don't even have the basic knowledge that 7th rounders are looked at for special teams contributions. That's like not knowing what a forward pass is, IMO.

And you don't have to like it, but the fact of the matter is that homophobia is what causes irrational criticisms and outright distortions (aka the **** you are doing).

What you'll note in the Key and Peele skit that you cited is that the alleged homophobe in that skit is making very reasonable observations. He is not spouting off irrational nonsense founded on ignorance. He's not saying stupid **** like "yep..THATS what teams are always looking for. Special teams players." as though it is a reasonable argument in defiance of all facts and information.

I'll defend Dungy, because his statements were RATIONAL. He's actually like the rational person in the scenario described in the Key and Peele skit. But a person who says **** like "yep..THATS what teams are always looking for. Special teams players" is going to get called out as a homophobe because such a person is not presenting anything rational to support his position on Sam.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

I'm not to blame for your terrible sentence structure. When you say "Dood hasnt even reported to training camp and he signed on to do a "reality" show." That means that he has not reported to training camp. As in present ****ing tense. Learn how tyo write before you take umbrage to people being competent at reading.

And of course he signed up for the reality show BEFORE he showed up for camp. He was literally unable to show up for camp any time prior to signing the reality show because it was done months before training camp could be reported to. the two things are completely unrelated.

And ask ANY 7th round pick if he wants to make some money doing a reality show and he'll probably say yes, provided he's not an idiot. In the NFL there are no guaranteed contracts and 7th rounders are always at risk of being cut. He's smart to try and make money.

I mean, were you outraged by this reality show: Broncos WR Eric Decker and country singer fiancee land reality show - CBSSports.com

Probably not.


And the reason I ignored your "football-related things" is becasue you didn't even realize that 7th rounders are taken in order to be special teams contributors, and that's common ****ing knowledge that anyone with any knowledge of the draft process is aware of. The fact of the matter is that you DON'T have any football related things as you are not knowledgeable enough of how the NFL works in order to have any such things. You don't even have the basic knowledge that 7th rounders are looked at for special teams contributions. That's like not knowing what a forward pass is, IMO.

And you don't have to like it, but the fact of the matter is that homophobia is what causes irrational criticisms and outright distortions (aka the **** you are doing).

What you'll note in the Key and Peele skit that you cited is that the alleged homophobe in that skit is making very reasonable observations. He is not spouting off irrational nonsense founded on ignorance. He's not saying stupid **** like "yep..THATS what teams are always looking for. Special teams players." as though it is a reasonable argument in defiance of all facts and information.

I'll defend Dungy, because his statements were RATIONAL. He's actually like the rational person in the scenario described in the Key and Peele skit. But a person who says **** like "yep..THATS what teams are always looking for. Special teams players" is going to get called out as a homophobe because such a person is not presenting anything rational to support his position on Sam.
Sorry...but you are the one desperate to find "homophobe". That just sad.
 
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Sorry...but you are the one desperate to find "homophobe". That just sad.

Given the total lack of any evidence to support your claim above, what do you base it on?
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Given the total lack of any evidence to support your claim above, what do you base it on?
Every word out of your mouth. You are desperate to find homohobia. Its sad. You MAY want to consider...it might just be you.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Every word out of your mouth. You are desperate to find homohobia. Its sad. You MAY want to consider...it might just be you.

Here's a few select samples of my comments in this thread:

Here are some predictions about what will happen when Michael Sam is either cut or makes the team:

If he's cut: Some people will criticize Jeff Fisher because, even though he went out and drafted the first openly gay player into the NFL, they will claim he cut Sam becasue he was gay.

If he makes the team: Some people will claim that he only made the team because he was gay and that Jeff Fisher was too frightened of scenario one occurring to cut him,

.
That's how some peopel on both sides will react. The truth of the matter, however, is:

If Sam gets cut: It'll be because Jeff Fisher and his staff did not feel that Sam was one of the 53 best players on the squad.

If Sam makes the team: It'll be because Fisher et al though he was one of the 53 best players.

That's the truth of it. There will always be people who aren't capable of recognizing the above, but that won't change the fact that the above will be the case.

AS far as Dungy's comments go, he's not saying anything different from what I said when I said Sam was drafted later than he would have been had he not come out before the draft. Lots of coaches in the NFL are Distraction averse. Sam was basically a mid-level prospect coming out of college (5th-7th round prospect). His combine stats were not very good, but he had great college production and he's got loads of heart and intangibles. Because of the heart and intangibles, I think he would have gone somewhere in the 5th round had he not come out before the draft.

In this kind of scenario, however, some NFL coaches tend to get skittish. You're basically looking at first-rounder distraction-potential for a guy who is probably just role player/specialist that doesn't fit any one mold well (he's too small for putting his hand on the ground, too slow to be dropping into coverage). Lots of coaches will look at him and say "Meh, he seems like a good kid and I hope he does well, but I don't want to deal with all that media bull**** for a guy who's not really likely to be a big impact player".

Say what you will about Mike Vick, the guy can be a dynamic player who can change a game. Coaches are more likely to put up with a distraction when it is coupled with a major potential for an upside like that. Unfortunately, Sam simply doesn't have that kind of potential.

I think Sam will end up having a decent little career because he is a good player who can help the right team. He's the kind of player that has a 4-7 year career as a role player/special teams contributor. He's got the heart and drive to outperform his raw physical talents (as he did in college). Generally speaking, though, a lot of coaches don't want a lot of media attention focused on a role-player/special teamer.


Let's put it this way: If Clowney had come out as gay, he'd still have been the #1 pick in the draft. His sky-high potential as a player would have been "worth the potential distraction" for pretty much every coach and GM in the league.

Sam's a marginal talent with a low ceiling. That's pretty much a universal take from scouts on him. Because of that, many coaches and GM's will look at the media storm surrounding his entry into the NFL and say, "**** it, it's not worth it for a special teamer".

If Aaron Rogers were a free agent and he decided to come out and say he was gay, all 32 teams in the NFL would still be interested in signing him. The cost of signing him is what would drop some teams out. 0 teams would say "I don't want him because he's gay and it would be a distraction to have a gay player on the team."

I would have to disagree. It's not homophobia that prevents Sam from being worth the "distraction", it's Sam's marginal abilities. He's basically a dime a dozen player who will more-than-likely never rise above occasional role-player or decent special-teamer.

Despite his marginal abilities, he garners a ****-ton of media attention and scrutiny heaped upon any coaching staff and organization which he is a part of.

Here's the real crux of it. Sam's looking at a 50/50 shot of making the team. This is probably a best case scenario for him. It's actually more like 30/70, with only a 30% chance of making the team because the Rams are loaded at defensive line. If he does get cut (which is not at all unlikely), the Rams are going to be accused of cutting him because he is gay. In truth, he'll be cut because he is being treated just like any other football player, though.

Sam is doing one thing for the future, though. He has taken on the "distraction" factor for any future players who come out before the draft. The next time an openly gay player gets drafted, it won't be a historic event. It'll just be another guy getting drafted.

As I said earlier, though, if Clowney was gay, he would still have been drafted #1 overall and any GM in the league would be happy to have the guy on his team. You can't simply look at this as though all players are equal. They aren't. The ultimate thing that any GM is going to ask himself is "Would having this player on our team make us more likely to win games, or will having this player on my team hurt our chances to win games?"

Sam being gay will not help a team win games. Sam being a role player/special teamer could potentially help a team win games, but having him on the squad is only going to be a slight benefit. He's just not likely to be good enough to be a significant boost to a team.

But it's also possible that the media attention Sam receives could be a distraction from actual on the field stuff, which could hurt a teams chances to win games. Like it or not, that is a distinct possibility. The GM has to weigh out whether their assessment of Sam's abilities outweigh the potential for distraction. Unfortunately for Sam, most Gm's don't think so. If he had Clowney's talent, most GM's would absolutely think his benefit to the team outweighed his distraction potential. It's a business and Sam is being treated just like any other player of his abilities would be treated if they were drawing the kind of media attention he draws. The key thing here is "of his abilities".

People keep trying to compare Sam to Michael Vick (freakish athletic ability) or Ray Lewis (one of the best ever at his position), and other "elite" player. Nobody thinks Sam is going to be an elite player who could impact games anywhere near the level those guys did. Nobody. He's going to impact games on about the same level that a Blake Costanzo impacts games.


Please support your claim that "every word out of my mouth" is "desperate to find homophobia"?

****, I actually have a post that defends against a claim of homophobia rendered at the NFL. I'm merely pointing out that some of your statements appear to be based on homophobia rather than a rational assessment of things (for example, you essentially called his coming out something along the lines of "making a spectacle of himself").

It's pretty clear that I can support my denial of your claim about me. Unfortunately, you cannot support your claim about me at all. It's kind of like your claim that Sam is making a spectacle of himself. It's something you are making up and pretending to be true in lieu of a rational argument.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

I'm not to blame for your terrible sentence structure. When you say "Dood hasnt even reported to training camp and he signed on to do a "reality" show."

Had I been a fan of the Rams, or a coach of said team, I would of been very disappointed with his timing of this announcement. Why? Because I don't see it being in his best interest as a football player to focus on other things right now.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Here's a few select samples of my comments in this thread:









Please support your claim that "every word out of my mouth" is "desperate to find homophobia"?

****, I actually have a post that defends against a claim of homophobia rendered at the NFL. I'm merely pointing out that some of your statements appear to be based on homophobia rather than a rational assessment of things (for example, you essentially called his coming out something along the lines of "making a spectacle of himself").

It's pretty clear that I can support my denial of your claim about me. Unfortunately, you cannot support your claim about me at all. It's kind of like your claim that Sam is making a spectacle of himself. It's something you are making up and pretending to be true in lieu of a rational argument.
Sams did make a spectacle of himself as are you. Sams, prior to even reporting to camp signed up for a reality show. As I beleive YOU pointed out...his coach thought it was a spectacle and put the kibosh on it. The end. Or rather should be 'the end'. But you see homophobe. Was Fisher a homophobe to say it may be somewhat of a distraction? And was it homophobic for me to point out that that distraction for a 7th round draft choice wasnt worth it, nor was the Johnny Manziel show (oh...wait...is he gay too?)

You are the one with the problem. You are the one desperate to find homophobia. Reference the skit.
 
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Sorry...but you are the one desperate to find "homophobe". That just sad.

Pretty sad excuse for a rebuttal.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Pretty sad excuse for a rebuttal.
We already know where you and I stand, right?
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

We already know where you and I stand, right?

I stand on the floor, or the ground when I'm outside.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Vick was a huge distraction. Not as much in the locker room but to any team that took him. Protests in every city.

And in that context, I can understand Tony Dungy's stance.

"I wouldn't have taken him. Not because I don't believe Michael Sam should have a chance to play, but I wouldn't want to deal with all of it.

"It's not going to be totally smooth ... things will happen."

...

"I was not asked whether or not Michael Sam deserves an opportunity to play in the NFL. He absolutely does.

"I was not asked whether his sexual orientation should play a part in the evaluation process. It should not.

"I was not asked whether I would have a problem having Michael Sam on my team. I would not.

"I have been asked all of those questions several times in the last three months and have always answered them the same way -- by saying that playing in the NFL is, and should be, about merit," the statement read. "The best players make the team, and everyone should get the opportunity to prove whether they're good enough to play. That's my opinion as a coach.

"But those were not the questions I was asked. What I was asked about was my philosophy of drafting, a philosophy that was developed over the years, which was to minimize distractions for my teams.

"I do not believe Michael's sexual orientation will be a distraction to his teammates or his organization. I do, however, believe that the media attention that comes with it will be a distraction. Unfortunately we are all seeing this play out now, and I feel badly that my remarks played a role in the distraction.

The Bucs camp will be loaded with media from the first day of NFL Training Camp until opening day and at every mistake, towel pop or slap on the butt by a teammate. To that, I agree with Dungy overall. However, I think the only way to turn media attention away from Michael Sam's sexual orientation is for him to perform well on the field from day-1.
 
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Had I been a fan of the Rams, or a coach of said team, I would of been very disappointed with his timing of this announcement. Why? Because I don't see it being in his best interest as a football player to focus on other things right now.

Were you equally critical of Decker's reality TV show? What about the various players who have been on Dancing with the Stars, etc?
 
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Sams did make a spectacle of himself as are you.

He simply came out. That's not making a spectacle of himself, no matter how hard you try to pretend it was.

Do you have support fro your claim about "every word from my mouth" and so on?

Sams, prior to even reporting to camp signed up for a reality show.

Why do you keep talking about training camp?


As I beleive YOU pointed out...his coach thought it was a spectacle and put the kibosh on it.

I never said that Fisher thought it was a spectacle. Don't put words into my mouth. I said Fisher put the kibosh on it, and I'm guessing that Fisher would have done the same to Eric Decker's show had he been Deckers coach.

It has nothing to do with Sam "making a spectacle of himself".

But you see homophobe.

I didn't say you were acting like a homophobe for that singular statement alone. You said multiple things which, when taken in their entirety, scream "homophobe". sorry if you don't like that.

Was Fisher a homophobe to say it may be somewhat of a distraction?

No, but fisher didn't arbitrarily decide to demonize the gay guy by claiming he was making a spectacle of himself by coming out. That was you. Fisher is not doing anything to demonstrate homophobia, while you are. See how that works? It's kind of like how you can't call someone a "nigger" and then get hyperdefensive when you get called a racist afterward. If you do or say stuff which indicates homophobia, then you'll get called on it.

And was it homophobic for me to point out that that distraction for a 7th round draft choice wasnt worth it, nor was the Johnny Manziel show (oh...wait...is he gay too?)

Saying that the distraction wasn't worth it for a 7th round pick/marginal player was not homophobic. That's why I have basically defended Dungy.

Saying stupid **** like "he was making a spectacle of himself" for doing nothing more than coming out of the closet and accepting an offered business deal (which would have made a guy who has a high chance to get cut a significant amount of money, thus making it a smart business decision on his part) contingent on his coach's OK was homophobic.

You are the one with the problem. You are the one desperate to find homophobia. Reference the skit.

So despite having evidence which indicates I was actually arguing against homophobia being a primary reason for his drop in the draft, you still hold onto the delusional idea that I am desperate to find homophobia?

Did it ever occur to you that I found homophobia in your comments because, perhaps unintentionally, it is actually present?

Let me ask you this: what is your general stance on homosexuals/homosexuality? Do you get repulsed if you see two men kissing? Do you have the "It's ok so long as they keep it behind closed doors cause I don't want to see it" mentality?
 
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He simply came out. That's not making a spectacle of himself, no matter how hard you try to pretend it was.

Do you have support fro your claim about "every word from my mouth" and so on?



Why do you keep talking about training camp?




I never said that Fisher thought it was a spectacle. Don't put words into my mouth. I said Fisher put the kibosh on it, and I'm guessing that Fisher would have done the same to Eric Decker's show had he been Deckers coach.

It has nothing to do with Sam "making a spectacle of himself".



I didn't say you were acting like a homophobe for that singular statement alone. You said multiple things which, when taken in their entirety, scream "homophobe". sorry if you don't like that.



No, but fisher didn't arbitrarily decide to demonize the gay guy by claiming he was making a spectacle of himself by coming out. That was you. Fisher is not doing anything to demonstrate homophobia, while you are. See how that works? It's kind of like how you can't call someone a "nigger" and then get hyperdefensive when you get called a racist afterward. If you do or say stuff which indicates homophobia, then you'll get called on it.



Saying that the distraction wasn't worth it for a 7th round pick/marginal player was not homophobic. That's why I have basically defended Dungy.

Saying stupid **** like "he was making a spectacle of himself" for doing nothing more than coming out of the closet and accepting an offered business deal (which would have made a guy who has a high chance to get cut a significant amount of money, thus making it a smart business decision on his part) contingent on his coach's OK was homophobic.



So despite having evidence which indicates I was actually arguing against homophobia being a primary reason for his drop in the draft, you still hold onto the delusional idea that I am desperate to find homophobia?

Did it ever occur to you that I found homophobia in your comments because, perhaps unintentionally, it is actually present?

Let me ask you this: what is your general stance on homosexuals/homosexuality? Do you get repulsed if you see two men kissing? Do you have the "It's ok so long as they keep it behind closed doors cause I don't want to see it" mentality?

it wasn't his coming out that was the spectacle. I stated that but you are desperate to find homophobe. It was the reality show before he even started training camp. I said that by you are desperate to find homophobe. Fisher did indeed say he thought it would be a distraction but you are desperate to find homophobe. Fisher did put the kibosh on it but you are desperate to find homophobe. Face it. You are that guy.
 
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it wasn't his coming out that was the spectacle. I states that but you are desperate to find homophobe. It was the reality show before he even started training camp. I said that by you are desperate to find homophobe. Fisher did indeed say he thought it would be a distraction but you are desperate to find homophobe. Fisher did put the kibosh on it but you are desperate to find homophobe. Face it. You are that guy.


The evidence proves your claims about me wrong, so stop lying.

Now slap on some balls and answer some questions:

What is your general stance on homosexuals/homosexuality?

Do you get repulsed if you see two men kissing?

Do you have the "It's ok so long as they keep it behind closed doors cause I don't want to see it" mentality?
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Vick was a huge distraction. Not as much in the locker room but to any team that took him. Protests in every city.

Yet that was his best season *ever.* And it was not a distraction because the team didn't allow it to be. After his stellar second season with the Eagles, his crappy play was the big distraction.

Sam's story, like Vick's, will fade. I am sure the media will become more bored with each and every new gay drafted.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Yep..THATS what teams are always looking for. Special teams players.


Youre really kind of just a casual fan at best and ignorant about how football teams generally actually function, aren't you?

Yes, teams are generally always looking for special teams players; especially in late round picks and end of the roster guys like Sam is. At least the good teams do. The bad teams don't and end up like the Redskins last year with horrible results. Which is why, shocked, the redskins specifically went looking for special teams players this year in free agency (picking up two ST captains of other teams ) and the draft (passing on better prospects at the position to get guys who were projected as good ST players).

As far as deciding to do the reality show goes, good for Sam. lots of NFL players have been doing reality TV lately, but nobody has agreed to do one that was so socially important before sam. Most of those shows have been freakshows (Remember Chad Johnson's relaity show?), whereas sam's was intended to be inspirational to a marginalized population of people in the US.

Agree with all but this. Deciding to so the show was idiotic from a football sense and immediately made me question his sincere focus on making the most of his football career first and foremost. I thought the same when I heard AJ McCarron was slated to appear in one when it hit the news wire in the off season. You've never took a snap professionally, you're a 7th round pick, and you're already trying to be some television star in the run up to camp? Ridiculous. It's a good thing Fischer put then kibosh on it, but it shouldn't have even happened. If he's more concerned with being an entertainer or a public figure then simply a football player than sure, it's smart. But if he's going to claim he's focused on football and he's going to do all he can to make it in the NFL then causing distraction (and in this case it is action he's choosing to take doing it, as opposed to a reactionary thing) and focusing time, energy, and effort in putting yourself over as a celebrity when you're a fringe nfl player to begin with is dumb.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Were you equally critical of Decker's reality TV show? What about the various players who have been on Dancing with the Stars, etc?

you are actually comparing players that have made it in the NFL with a 7th round rookie yet to stick on a single roster?
 
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