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Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sams?

Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sams?

  • Agree

    Votes: 24 77.4%
  • disagree

    Votes: 7 22.6%

  • Total voters
    31
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

I think he is wrong mainly because all NFL players have the potential to become a huge media distraction. Vick is one good example, and this guy mentored Vick after he served his time. There are many others though who have brought media attention to themselves, some do so on a regular basis. It is the nature of being a professional athlete in a well-known league that brings media attention in itself. Extra brought on by something like being openly gay is not going to be that much compared to just being a player. People have fairly short attention spans.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

A bunch of dudes that likely do things like make fun of each other's penises and hit each other on the butts with towels?

Just like with the military, it wouldn't be that big of a deal. I guarantee that most players have played with someone sometime in their past who was gay, even if it wasn't openly. They still knew and it likely wasn't a big deal at all.
You are missing the point. Now, every football fan is going to know YOU shower with a gay dude.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

You are missing the point. Now, every football fan is going to know YOU shower with a gay dude.

What is your point? Are you saying Ram players lose credibility or some kind of man card with fans for possibly showering with an openly gay guy?


Frankly, my dear, as a football fan myself I don't give a damn.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

What is your point? Are you saying Ram players lose credibility or some kind of man card with fans for possibly showering with an openly gay guy?


Frankly, my dear, as a football fan myself I don't give a damn.
Good for you, you are not a guy. And most football fans are guys.
And this thread is about Dungy and his comments. Pounding the minutia of what everyone else thinks is not.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

And this thread is about Dungy and his comments. Pounding the minutia of what everyone else thinks is not.

Yes, his comments about the media not showering with other dudes, which is what you brought up.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Yes, his comments about the media not showering with other dudes, which is what you brought up.
Brought up because someone asked what the big deal was. But keep coming after me. Please, I love it. Even if it has nothing to do with the OP.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Brought up because someone asked what the big deal was. But keep coming after me. Please, I love it. Even if it has nothing to do with the OP.

YOU brought it up first by the tenth post but whatever, locker rooms has something to do with the op somehow, which was about the media's distractions.


Vick was a huge distraction. Not as much in the locker room but to any team that took him. Protests in every city.



Glad you love it, I'd hate to get on your bad side. ;)


:lol:
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

You are missing the point. Now, every football fan is going to know YOU shower with a gay dude.

Pretty sure every football fan (or almost every fan) already assumed that football players were showering with at least one gay dude. Very few care and those that do are simply ignorant for caring whether or not football players are showering with gay dudes. It doesn't make you gay to shower (as in a large open bay shower area) with someone who is gay.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Good for you, you are not a guy. And most football fans are guys.
And this thread is about Dungy and his comments. Pounding the minutia of what everyone else thinks is not.

And most guys don't care. If they did, the very fact that football players shower with other guys at all, no matter their sexuality, would bother them. This is just looking for an excuse.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

And most guys don't care. If they did, the very fact that football players shower with other guys at all, no matter their sexuality, would bother them. This is just looking for an excuse.

That, coming from a woman????? You are not a man, you are not qualified to speak about what goes on in a mens locker room. Sorry.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

That, coming from a woman????? You are not a man, you are not qualified to speak about what goes on in a mens locker room. Sorry.

I have been the only woman in several rooms full of men being in the military. I've changed with men while in the military. I know a lot about what goes on in mens locker rooms.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

I have been the only woman in several rooms full of men being in the military. I've changed with men while in the military. I know a lot about what goes on in mens locker rooms.
Being in the service and playing pro sports are two very different things.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Here is the deal....Dungy's comments were not yesterday, they were made during that time from the draft to when Sam's realized a reality show about his career was a bad idea. In that context I totally understand Dungy's point. But the bigger issue is some of the things that Dungy himself has been involved with and that calls into question the motivation of the quote.

1. Dungy himself was the victim of discrimination in the NFL with the excuse of hire a black head coach would be a distraction including a media distraction. So he could consider this, but by no means has to.
2. Dungy was outspoken on gay marriage as an opponent including backing an Indiana attempt to write a harsh amendment to the State Constitution that would make even civil unions illegal in Indiana. That is not only his right but is part of his larger belief system in how he sees his Christianity. (I want to be clear I am on the other side of that issue and frankly think his vision is a bad view of Christianity but that is not my call, it is his).
3. Dungy has been the go to guy for clearly bad behavior of players in the NFL to go to rehab their image and in some cases change. His full-throated support of Michael Vick, which not only meant he was willing to deal with a media but a larger PR distraction including protests and advertiser issues didn't seem to be a problem. (I understand the difference, Vick and Sams are two radically different levels of talent).

Dungy is one of the best over-all coaches of the last 20 years. He created the Tampa Bay team that won the Superbowl under Grudin and his work in Indy was brilliant. His further reach into the soul of the NFL and the communities that he has touched. I don't agree with him on many things but he has a good heart even when that leads him down a path I don't particularly think is healthy for our culture or is actually hurtful.

As for Sams, I am not an NFL scout, he had talent no doubt, but many college guys have great talent in college and can't compete in the NFL. I think fear of distraction, some bigotry and his horrible combine led to his stock falling. The pick up in St. Louis was a easy call for the team and frankly if he makes the practice squad or special teams that would be great. He isn't going to start unless he shows something we haven't seen yet in training camp.

You realize if he had a Manzel personality or Vick talent (back in the day not now) the conversation would be totally different and he would be worth the distraction. In fact I think Dungy would say he would take him then. But then I don't know.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Being in the service and playing pro sports are two very different things.

They are the same types of locker rooms. Are you saying that men in the military don't act like men who play pro sports? I'm willing to bet that you are wrong there.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

They are the same types of locker rooms. Are you saying that men in the military don't act like men who play pro sports? I'm willing to bet that you are wrong there.

I would take that bet. Guys in the service don't usually give interviews on national TV.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

I would take that bet. Guys in the service don't usually give interviews on national TV.

Which makes a difference how in the way they behave while in the locker room when no one is in there?

Pretty much the same argument was made by those against repealing DADT "but the straight men will have to share the locker rooms with gay men". So what? It doesn't matter. The public knows that the military straight men are sharing locker rooms with gay men. And since the repeal of DADT, several gay men and women in the service have openly revealed their sexuality on TV, to reporters, in public.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Which makes a difference how in the way they behave while in the locker room when no one is in there?

Pretty much the same argument was made by those against repealing DADT "but the straight men will have to share the locker rooms with gay men". So what? It doesn't matter. The public knows that the military straight men are sharing locker rooms with gay men. And since the repeal of DADT, several gay men and women in the service have openly revealed their sexuality on TV, to reporters, in public.
Millions of fans across the nation don't haul our their favorite "military fan gear", buy season tickets, travel to games for guys in the military.
But they do it for their favorite football teams.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

Millions of fans across the nation don't haul our their favorite "military fan gear", buy season tickets, travel to games for guys in the military.
But they do it for their favorite football teams.

Which has absolutely zero to do with what goes on in the locker rooms.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

the point of the OP i think, is Michael Sam going to be a distraction for his team?

And was Tony Dungy right in calling that point out

I say yes to both

The first openly gay player in the NFL is a big thing.....i think the media will make it more of a distraction than the team will....but it "could" hurt the team

Michael Sam played for my team, the Missouri Tigers last year. He lit up the SEC quarterbacks, and was named to numerous all SEC teams

Sometimes college success easily transitions to the pro's.....sometimes not

I hope he makes the team....and i hope all the hoopla is dead before the end of the first 4 games

Then we can settle back and just watch a terrific young man try to contribute to a team in the best division in football

All the rest dont mean a damn thing.....

And then maybe the next time, it will be a few paragraphs in the teams program....not national coverage just because someone is gay
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

I think he is wrong mainly because all NFL players have the potential to become a huge media distraction. Vick is one good example, and this guy mentored Vick after he served his time. There are many others though who have brought media attention to themselves, some do so on a regular basis. It is the nature of being a professional athlete in a well-known league that brings media attention in itself. Extra brought on by something like being openly gay is not going to be that much compared to just being a player. People have fairly short attention spans.
One big difference is that Vick's potential was well known based on his previous performance which would make dealing with the distractions more tolerable for a team. Sam, not so much.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

I disagree with his comments but have no problem with him expressing his opinion.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

I have been the only woman in several rooms full of men being in the military. I've changed with men while in the military. I know a lot about what goes on in mens locker rooms.

In what capacity? The question begs to be asked were you nude?
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

A bunch of dudes that likely do things like make fun of each other's penises and hit each other on the butts with towels?

Geez, exactly how do those guys get away with that gay ass behavior and not get endlessly taunted? If some dude commented on my penis I would taunt his ass endlessly for the rest of time.

Regardless, it's disturbing behavior to be straight and be commenting on another guys penis and slapping other guys asses. I'm not convinced their not gay or at least bisexual frankly. It's gay behavior, imho.
 
Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

What is your point? Are you saying Ram players lose credibility or some kind of man card with fans for possibly showering with an openly gay guy?


Frankly, my dear, as a football fan myself I don't give a damn.

I can tell you as a straight man I would be uncomfortable dressing and showering with someone I knew was gay. I am not a homophobe but I am sure some on the left will call me that.
 
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