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    Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Using the "distraction" excuse is cowardly and not at all believable. NFL needs to man up about this. You know what else is distraction? Having a dog killer on your team, rapists, Ray Lewis, bigots like Dungee. It's obvious that teams avoided drafting Sam out of prejudice. They might want to keep in mind that in many of these cities, such discrimination is illegal. That it's a 'draft' makes no difference. It's still employment.
    Here is what his draft data said.

    2014 NFL Draft[edit]
    Early projections had Sam as a third- or fourth-round pick in the 2014 NFL Draft.[21] However, his performance in the NFL Scouting Combine in February 2014 was seen as disappointing, which lowered expectations on whether or not he would be taken in the draft.[22] He was seen as too small to play defensive end and too slow to play outside linebacker.[23] He showed improvement at a public workout a month later, but his pre-draft rankings ranged from 12th to 25th among defensive ends. At the 2013 draft, 33 defensive ends were selected overall, with 23 taken in the final four rounds.[24]

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    Sam was drafted by the St. Louis Rams in the seventh round, with the 249th overall selection, of the 2014 draft. He became the first publicly gay player to be drafted into the NFL.[26][27] In a statement, President Barack Obama said that he "congratulates Michael Sam, the Rams and the NFL for taking an important step forward today in our Nation's journey" and that "[f]rom the playing field to the corporate boardroom, LGBT Americans prove everyday that you should be judged by what you do and not who you are."[28][29]

    In the aftermath of his draft selection, St. Louis Rams jerseys bearing his name became the second best selling rookie jerseys at the NFL's website. Sam's jersey was more popular than all of the top-round choices except for Cleveland quarterback (and Heisman Trophy winner) Johnny Manziel. On July 16, Michael Sam won the Arthur Ashe Courage Award at the 2014 ESPYS.[30]


    We are talking about a 7th round pick who according the draft experts does not fit in as your standard linebacker or defensive end. Even without being gay he would be a gamble, which he was as indicated by the 7th round pick. So you have a very late round pick that will bring a media circus with him to training camp and into the regular season if Sams makes the Rams roster.

    I can understand how a contending team may not want any distractions that may lead to a loss and hence missing the playoffs. The NFL draft is all about talent, the needs of the team, projected development, and more. It would be very hard if not impossible to prove discrimination base on Sams overall assessment and whether any particular team really needed him to fill a void.

    As for Vick and Lewis, they already played years in the NFL, so this is comparing apples to oranges. Personally, if I were a NFL GM, I would have drafted him based on what he showed in college. The 7th rounds seems about right, now it is up to Sams personally and the St. Louis Rams to see if he can make that team.
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    Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

    I do not believe Michael's sexual orientation will be a distraction to his teammates or his organization. I do, however, believe that the media attention that comes with it will be a distraction
    I'm sorry, but this is double-speak. If the media is a distraction, and the media is focusing on a particular individual, then by natural and logical extension that particular individual IS the distraction. Why do we always insist on whitewashing everything?

    Having said that, I wish we could just simply not care. Does he help the team win, or not? Barring something really extreme like convicted child molestation (or similar), that's all I care about.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I'm sorry, but this is double-speak. If the media is a distraction, and the media is focusing on a particular individual, then by natural and logical extension that particular individual IS the distraction. Why do we always insist on whitewashing everything?

    Having said that, I wish we could just simply not care. Does he help the team win, or not? Barring something really extreme like convicted child molestation (or similar), that's all I care about.
    Even in the NFL, they'd probably let a child molester play if he was an all-pro.


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    Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    If Sam were a rapist or a dog killer he wouldn't have been drafted. If Lewid or Vick were gay they still would've been highly sought after. Nobody wants a media circus around a seventh round pick. Having one around a star is easily tolerable.
    Maybe, but if you take the gay out of the equation, you can't blame them for the pick.


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    Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Vick was a huge distraction. Not as much in the locker room but to any team that took him. Protests in every city.
    Sure but Vick is also a phenomenal player when he's healthy.

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    Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Maybe, but if you take the gay out of the equation, you can't blame them for the pick.
    Of course not. Even with his bad combine he's right around a 6-7th rounder. Even considering Sam being gay I don't really see it as a bad pick, just probably a risk I wouldn't have taken.
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    Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    Sure but Vick is also a phenomenal player when he's healthy.
    "when he's healthy"

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    Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    First, I have a TON of respect for Tony Dungy as a coach and a person (from what I know of him). But I have a tiny bit less of the latter for him today.


    I am getting a little tired of people saying the same thing:

    'Good luck to him - but I don't want him. Too distracting.'

    That's a little like saying 'I love blacks - I just don't want them at my party...too distracting.'

    Since no openly homosexual man has EVER played in the NFL, then there is no way possible that they can know how distracting he will be.
    Maybe he will be distracting. Maybe not at all. Maybe he will aid the team's bottom line as LGBT fans/non-fans buy the teams paraphernalia in huge numbers, all over the nation in support of drafting him.

    And multi-millionaire head coaches/GM's should have a little more on their mind then just winning and losing...like doing what is right once in a while. Furthering the cause of humanity should creep into the equation sometimes - and since LGBT represent probably well over 10% of the population...that is a lot of humanity.


    I am a HUGE Dallas Cowboys fan and I am straight.

    But I would have LOVED for the Cowboys to have been the ones who drafted him...even if he turned out to be a huge distraction. Just so I could feel a little bit more pride in 'America's team' (no - I don't like that nickname either).


    Btw, it's lucky everyone did not say that about Jackie Robinson.


    Finally, I am not the slightest bit interested in debating this. If you don't agree with me - I don't care. And if you do - then there is nothing to debate.

    I am simply stating this to add my opinion to the discussion.
    As much as liberals desperately want to link Michael Sam's "adversity" to Jackie Robinson's it's NO WHERE near the same thing. People are really kidding themselves and doing a disservice to the civil rights movement when they make these comparisons. Robinson had to deal with legitimate death threats whereas Sam has to deal with a handful of people willing to say publicly that he shouldn't have been drafted. And quote frankly HE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DRAFTED. He's just not an NFL caliber player.

    We're constantly told by the left that we need to look past ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, etc. and focus on the person as an individual but apparently that goes out the window when the individual isn't good enough. Then we need to focus on his sexuality.

    The whole thing is just asinine.

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    Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    "when he's healthy"
    I don't know what your point is but Michael Sam would have went first overall if he had Michael Vick's talent.

    He doesn't though. He may legitimately even have been the worst player taken in this year's draft.

    He's certainly in that conversation anyway.

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    Re: Do you agree or disagree with Tony Dungys's comments about gay player Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    As much as liberals desperately want to link Michael Sam's "adversity" to Jackie Robinson's it's NO WHERE near the same thing. People are really kidding themselves and doing a disservice to the civil rights movement when they make these comparisons. Robinson had to deal with legitimate death threats whereas Sam has to deal with a handful of people willing to say publicly that he shouldn't have been drafted. And quote frankly HE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DRAFTED. He's just not an NFL caliber player.

    We're constantly told by the left that we need to look past ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, etc. and focus on the person as an individual but apparently that goes out the window when the individual isn't good enough. Then we need to focus on his sexuality.

    The whole thing is just asinine.
    He was projected around the 6th or 7th round, and got drafted in the 7th round. So to be drafed in the 7th isn't out of the realm. Whether or not he's good enough remains to be seen. Marques Colston was a 7th rounder, in fact the second to last pick in the draft. He turned out pretty decent. Meanwhile everybody thought Ryan Leaf was good enough, some even thought better than Peyton Manning at the time, and he wasn't NFL caliber.

    How well he can play remains to be seen, and I think he deserves a shot.


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