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    14 30.43%
  • Elizabeth Warren

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    Re: For Democratic voters

    I would prefer Warren, but Clinton is the more electable candidate. I don't feel particularly strongly about either though and I've been thinking about simply refusing to vote for some of the upcoming races.
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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Elizabeth Warren, easily. However, if Hilary won the nomination I'd vote for her.
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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    In what alternate ****ing universe is Hillary to the left of a self-avowed socialist?
    Like "Slick Willie" did she pretends to be a moderate to get the nomination but the only ones she fools is you lefties who would vot for her anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Elizabeth Warren, easily. However, if Hilary won the nomination I'd vote for her.
    What a shock....
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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Not a Democrat or Republican and don't know a lot about Warren but my first impressions, I don't like the way she uses class warfare and lives in like a five million dollar house. Also don't like that she seems to support the education bureaucracy and just believes we need to "invest" more money into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Like "Slick Willie" did she pretends to be a moderate to get the nomination but the only ones she fools is you lefties who would vot for her anyway.
    LOL what? How on earth was Bill Clinton a hardcore "leftist"? That's utterly absurd.
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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Elizabeth Warren, easily. However, if Hilary won the nomination I'd vote for her.
    I would absolutely not vote for Hillary under any circumstance. She fails my litmus test ... during her time as a NY Senator, she voted in favor of the Iraq War. I will not vote for anyone who did.

    Now, I do have the luxury of living in a solid blue state where my vote really doesn't matter. Hence my third-party vote in 2012 and my hold-my-nose vote for Obama in 2008, despite the fact that Biden also voted for the war. The one and only time I've cast a ballot for someone who did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    LOL what? How on earth was Bill Clinton a hardcore "leftist"? That's utterly absurd.
    Remember the GOP praise for Hillary during Obama's 1st term just to play their divide game. That all changed when Romney lost. To hedge their bets, GOPs continue to bash Warren, the true leftist GOPs are terrified of .
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    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Remember the GOP praise for Hillary during Obama's 1st term just to play their divide game. That all changed when Romney lost. To hedge their bets, GOPs continue to bash Warren, the true leftist GOPs are terrified of .
    I don't play the "YER SKURRED" game, but I think Warren speaks a lot of truth regarding how badly the financial system is dicking over the average American.

    I can see Wall Street spending a boatload of money to try and destroy her in primary season.
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    Re: For Democratic voters

    I'm down on both party's political machines and wish we could just get rid of parties altogether. Warren is very big on investment and is using all the traditional Democratic talking points. The problem is I do not trust the Democratic party machine with taxpayer money and how much more can we invest when we are running half trillion to trillion dollar budgets annually. I may be too jaded and of course we need to invest in infrastructure, but when I hear "invest" greater in infrastructure I visualize taking more money out of the pocket of taxpayers and then rewarding union bosses with their cut for their support in keeping the Democratic machine and its politicians in power and then giving $22/hr jobs for 1 guy to fix a pot hole while nine other guys watch. Investing more in government I visualize awarding public employees and their unions for keeping the Democratic machine and their politicians in power and throwing more and more of taxpayer money into inefficient bureaucracies where we get EPA employees getting six figure salaries who haven't shown up for work in yrs, and the USPS union turning down technology from a John Doerr investment that would have saved tax payers billions because it would cost USPS jobs. Investing more in education is rewarding education unions for keeping the Democratic machine and their politicians in power throwing more money into the same broken, mediocre bureaucracy resistant to innovation and change. She talks about kids not being able to afford higher education while she and her husband were pulling close to a million a yr from Harvard.
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