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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Warren. While experience teaches us that we never know what the hell we're gonna get once they're actually in office, the thing about Hillary is that we already know she's going to just continue a lot of the current crap that's going on, and she's not an actual progressive. She's a moderate who's not terribly concerned with change or even efficacy, like nearly all Dems these days.

    Warren is a progressive, and has a very good track record of such. She has changed very little since coming to national prominence. All of that is a good sign.

    That could still change as soon as she's occupying our highest office -- it has with many presidents before. But worst case scenario, we just get the same thing that we would have gotten with Hillary. I'd rather take the risk than settle for the known mediocrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Assuming they both run, whod do you favor in the 2016 race?
    Neither.

    Hillary is too much like reelecting Bill. They both just need to go away.

    Warren is too far Left for me. But, my wife likes her. So, she'd get one vote from this household.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Because for once in your life I want you lefties to make a decision
    So it wasn't lefties who decided to elect Obama twice? It was your right wing friends who decided to elect him?










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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Warren. While experience teaches us that we never know what the hell we're gonna get once they're actually in office, the thing about Hillary is that we already know she's going to just continue a lot of the current crap that's going on, and she's not an actual progressive. She's a moderate who's not terribly concerned with change or even efficacy, like nearly all Dems these days.

    Warren is a progressive, and has a very good track record of such. She has changed very little since coming to national prominence. All of that is a good sign.

    That could still change as soon as she's occupying our highest office -- it has with many presidents before. But worst case scenario, we just get the same thing that we would have gotten with Hillary. I'd rather take the risk than settle for the known mediocrity.
    if she got in office and decided not to change... she'd be a lame duck.

    the whole " my way or the highway" shtick from both parties is absolute bull****.....we don't need any more ideologues in high office, we need competent executives who know divisiveness is counterproductive.

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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And that provides for women voters how? Because they broke for Obama by something like 10 points versus Romney...and then when it's Hillary, the break might be even wider. That's something that mere party affiliation can't account for, especially since what a woman does in a voting booth may be very different from what their husbands and family and friends might hear.
    you seem not to understand. It doesn't matter how the woman's vote breaks down or how the Hispanic or even the white vote breaks down. They are all included in the numbers. The reason the Democratic base or party affiliation to use the June figures is at 28% is because there are more women, more hispanics, more blacks, etc in that 28% figure than whites. It doesn't matter if 90% of the 24% of the Republican affiliation is white, black, purple or green, they simply make up 24% of the electorate. The demographics are included or what makes up the total for each party.

    In 2012 President Obama received 51% of the total vote, look at my chart 35% of the electorate identified as Democrat, that 35% included all the women, all the blacks, all the Hispanics and Asians, along with whites who said they were Democrats. The independent lean democrat of 16% included all the women, all the blacks, all the Hispanics and Asians, along with whites who said they were independents but leaned towards when it comes time to vote the Democratic Party.

    Romney received 59% of the white vote, 27% of the Hispanic vote, 6% of the black vote and what ever percentage of Asian and women and men, but they are all included in the 30% who identified themselves as Republicans and the 12% who lean Republican.

    When using party identification/association the demographics are already included in that identification/association. What Gallup is doing is counting up everyone regardless of sex, race, etc that state they identify with one party or the other. They do the same with independents but asked them which party do they tend to lean towards. Again without regards to sex, race, etc.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    if she got in office and decided not to change... she'd be a lame duck.

    the whole " my way or the highway" shtick from both parties is absolute bull****.....we don't need any more ideologues in high office, we need competent executives who know divisiveness is counterproductive.
    Likely true. Everyone over-estimates the amount of influence presidents really have.

    But the thing is, just about anyone would be a lame duck with Congress "functioning" (and I use the term loosely) the way they are. We have the most ineffectual Congress in all of American history.

    There's no single human being who can convince Congress to stop roadblocking each other, or voting themselves vacation time and extra pay simply because they can, which is really the main issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    you seem not to understand. It doesn't matter how the woman's vote breaks down or how the Hispanic or even the white vote breaks down. They are all included in the numbers. The reason the Democratic base or party affiliation to use the June figures is at 28% is because there are more women, more hispanics, more blacks, etc in that 28% figure than whites. It doesn't matter if 90% of the 24% of the Republican affiliation is white, black, purple or green, they simply make up 24% of the electorate. The demographics are included or what makes up the total for each party.

    In 2012 President Obama received 51% of the total vote, look at my chart 35% of the electorate identified as Democrat, that 35% included all the women, all the blacks, all the Hispanics and Asians, along with whites who said they were Democrats. The independent lean democrat of 16% included all the women, all the blacks, all the Hispanics and Asians, along with whites who said they were independents but leaned towards when it comes time to vote the Democratic Party.

    Romney received 59% of the white vote, 27% of the Hispanic vote, 6% of the black vote and what ever percentage of Asian and women and men, but they are all included in the 30% who identified themselves as Republicans and the 12% who lean Republican.

    When using party identification/association the demographics are already included in that identification/association. What Gallup is doing is counting up everyone regardless of sex, race, etc that state they identify with one party or the other. They do the same with independents but asked them which party do they tend to lean towards. Again without regards to sex, race, etc.
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    Re: For Democratic voters

    The only thing that worries me about Hillary is the GOPers would treat her worst then Obama. Not saying Warren would get much understanding from the GOP. But with Hillary it would be Benghazi 24/7/365.

    Warren however I don't think will run. And with Hillary expecting a grandchild I don't think she is a guarantee in running either.

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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    The only thing that worries me about Hillary is the GOPers would treat her worst then Obama. Not saying Warren would get much understanding from the GOP. But with Hillary it would be Benghazi 24/7/365.

    Warren however I don't think will run. And with Hillary expecting a grandchild I don't think she is a guarantee in running either.
    I think that's a naive belief. The GOP will do the same thing to any Democrat
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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    10, 9, 8, 7, Waiting for the follow up post of NP to fantasize about Hillary Clinton's ankles


    For some reason some men get as excited about Hillary's ankles as a group of gay blind nudists at a wiener roast.
    Heh, she doesn't have ankles. What she's got are called cankles (look it up). Get with the program.

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