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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    In presidential years the Democrats have always or at least it seems to me had a better get out the vote campaign. In 2008 the American people were fed up with Republican rule, I think it didn’t matter who the nominees were, the Democrats were going to win, Obama received 53% of the vote to 46% for McCain. Ironically Obama also won 53% of the independent vote which made up 38% of the electorate back then. In 2012 Obama won with 51% to Romney’s 47% with independents splitting 50-50 between the two. President Obama won because of the Democrats larger base.
    Do some reading on the Obama campaign "machine". He innovated in a number of ways, and his get out the vote works where effective like nothing seen before. Better and best are two different things, and gaining any edge, even a small one can matter(ask Bush).

    I agree, Hillary is already defined. She is a well-known commodity. But she is not tracking all that well with independents as I have stated in another post 41% to 47% in the negative as far as favorable/unfavorable goes. But neither are any of the mentioned Republicans to date either. But most of them are in the 20’s and 30’s and can either increase their favorable by a lot as too can their negatives be increased a lot. It is a two edged sword.
    I expect to see those numbers change somewhat as we get into early 2016. When there are more clear cut people to compare against, I think that is when those numbers will firm up.

    But I think at times we tend to place too much emphasis on the popular vote, it is the electoral college that counts. For a Republican to win in 2016 it is a must to win all the states Romney carried plus Florida, Virginia and Ohio and that still doesn’t put the Republican over the top. Whomever runs will also have to wine one of the remaining swing states, New Hampshire, Iowa, and Nevada. Iowa has only went once in the last 7 presidential election to a Republican candidate, New Hampshire only once in the last six leaving Nevada which went to the GOP in 2 of the last 6 Presidential races. Not good odds to say the least.
    2016 is an uphill battle for republicans. Demographics works against them. They have to define who they are going forward. They have to find a way, or at least a candidate, who can appeal to those groups republican typically lose. They do not have to win those groups, but they need more of them. And they need to do those things in the states you mention. It is certainly doable, but I would not bet money them being successful.

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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Because for once in your life I want you lefties to make a decision
    It's July 2014! I have been so busy Christmas shopping I haven't even got a chance to watch any of the presidential debates.

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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Because for once in your life I want you lefties to make a decision
    "For once in your life"? What the hell does this even mean?
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    Re: For Democratic voters

    My personal politics are much more in line with Warren. Hilary is waaaaay too moderate for me. However, I choose Hilary because Hilary will win in a landslide, Warren would be a battle.
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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Warren, no questions asked. I will not vote for Hillary Clinton under any circumstances.
    Mark the time Kobie, we agree on something that has to be a DP first.
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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "For once in your life"? What the hell does this even mean?
    It means if I made and other choice that is all you lefties would choose.
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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It means if I made and other choice that is all you lefties would choose.
    What are you, a mind reader? And even if a lot of people took "other," so what? Maybe some of us prefer other candidates.
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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Mark the time Kobie, we agree on something that has to be a DP first.
    I have a feeling our reasons are different.
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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    A good chunk of her own party doesn't like her. She has extremely heavy baggage whereas Warren is the Democratic sweetheart. I see a Hillary Clinton nomination, if she can manage to get it, driving rifts in the party between the Country Club Dems and the so-called "Anti-Corporatists."
    Just like a whole chunk of the GOP didn't like McCain or Romney...but they sure as heck voted for them. Why? Because they were what the GOP saw as the "lesser of two evils".

    Likewise, we Dems would unite behind Hillary. And there would be eight more years of a Democratic presidency, assuming she lives that long. Warren is less electable...but I strongly prefer her to Hillary.
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    Re: For Democratic voters

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is my opinion that Hillary may be the easiest nominee to beat and I use the term easiest very loosely here as I also think any democratic nominee in 2016 will be the favorite. Now those known to be interested in the nomination are Clinton, Biden, Warren, Cuomo, O'Malley and Schweitzer. But Hillary has plenty of baggage and the independent voter only gives here a 41% favorable rating with a 48% unfavorable. Hillary is so well known I doubt if those numbers change much.

    Contrast Hillary's number with Warrens among independents, 21% favorable 13% unfavorable. But with 64% either undecided or haven't ever heard of her, Warren could improve immensely or she could tank. There is a ton of unknowns about Warren whereas much not is unknown about Clinton.
    Very good analysis. As another poster pointed out, too many people think Clinton is the only viable candidate the Dems have for 2016. The truth is they have several more, some of whom I believe are far more viable than Clinton is

    However, I will admit I like Warren a lot.
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